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Jeremy Corbyn

He really is the man who missed the main chance.
He can't even lay a glove on what is probably the poorest ever UK government.
I voted for labour for most of my life, would not touch them with an extremely long barge pole now.
The wrong Miliband blew it but Corbyn is taking them to a whole new level.

Reading the Alan Johnson trilogy atm. would recommend it.
In a parallel universe he would have been a very popular PM.
 
Hacker Khan said:
I personally ain't got an effing clue, I was just going on the advice of the vast majority of economic projections that said it it would not be good. Much as no one has a clue on the impact of nationalising a few industries like rail where the private sector is at best, not providing the best service to the customers.
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Not really good enough I'm afraid - and easily countered by my referring to very positive supporters of Brexit who might have an idea - witness the views of James Dyson, Tim Martin, Prof Patrick Minford plus seven other influential economists (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36150191) - and ... erm ...

But clearly there is a balance of opinion across industry, commerce, businessmen and economists that those who voted to remain (and who still think that leaving the EU ain't going to be good) refuse to acknowledge.

No idea what Corbyn thinks he's up to - no time for, and no trust in, the guy.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
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No idea what Corbyn thinks he's up to....
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Now that's the most damning criticism of a politician! It's up to the politician to get their 'message'/policies across! And if they can't, then they are doomed! And that's even before trying to convince the electorate that those policies are the right ones!

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
...no time for, and no trust in, the guy.
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And this is what happens when when the message fails to be delivered!

The Conservatives (and their allies in the Press) are doing a pretty good job of destroying his credibility, but Corbyn himself seems to be a major contributor to that task too! He's really simply not up to the job of leading a major political party imo!
 
IanM said:
Actually, I think his stance on some issues is jolly clear. That’s why he gets so much stick.
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Ah! That's (at least arguably) true too! The likes of re-nationalisation of (all) Rail Transport is an example. Though it's his inability to convince voters of the benefits, as opposed to simply 'slavishly' adopting a (flawed imo) doctrinal approach!
 
If he wants to win back some brownie points he needs to address the anti-semitism row that just doesn't seem to want to go away. I've read some good stuff in recent days about Labours problems on this issue, one of which names a number of MP's and activists that have said things they probably shouldn't have said. Some have been suspended then reinstated, even though there's no hiding from what they've actually said. Others have supported some of these people in their fight against suspension, and some have supported comments made only to now want to distance themselves from those comments or support given.

Does Corbyn have antisemitic tendencies? I genuinely don't know, although some of the things he's said and done are at best questionable. I'm tempted to follow the line of one of the Labour supporting media outlets; Corbyn is clumsy and, probably, shouldn't be Labour leader. And the next paragraph in the article said both the Labour centre right and the Tories will continue to have field day until he either gets very tough on antisemitism or is replaced.
 
Hobbit said:
If he wants to win back some brownie points he needs to address the anti-semitism row that just doesn't seem to want to go away. I've read some good stuff in recent days about Labours problems on this issue, one of which names a number of MP's and activists that have said things they probably shouldn't have said. Some have been suspended then reinstated, even though there's no hiding from what they've actually said. Others have supported some of these people in their fight against suspension, and some have supported comments made only to now want to distance themselves from those comments or support given.

Does Corbyn have antisemitic tendencies? I genuinely don't know, although some of the things he's said and done are at best questionable. I'm tempted to follow the line of one of the Labour supporting media outlets; Corbyn is clumsy and, probably, shouldn't be Labour leader. And the next paragraph in the article said both the Labour centre right and the Tories will continue to have field day until he either gets very tough on antisemitism or is replaced.
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I pretty much agree.

We, in the UK, need a strong opposition party for our system of government to work well. Labour, under JC, is not functioning well and I worry that he has a group of ardent followers who can keep him in his position and thus there's no brave real challenger. How on earth does our security forces dare bring him into their confidences with sensitive information.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
In the same manner as they do for the Foreign Secretary I would imagine.
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Touche!

Speaking of which....

A quote from a BBC article....
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Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has described Jeremy Corbyn as the "Kremlin's useful idiot" over his response to the Salisbury poisoning.

He said the Labour leader was giving Moscow "propaganda" false credibility by refusing to "unequivocally" back the government's view it was responsible.

Labour said Mr Johnson had "made a fool of himself" by misrepresenting what he was told by chemical weapons experts.

It stressed Mr Corbyn had repeatedly said the evidence pointed to Russia.
<end quote> whole article here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43686718

While BJ doesn't appear to have lied, nor made one of his - all too common - blunders, he gets another 'he's a soviet lacky' blow in against Corbyn! I believe that it's this sort of 'spin' that will prevent him ever convincing the electorate that he is capable of leading the country. His performance at PMQs is also not good enough either - he raises issues pretty well, but is quite poor at attacking replies! It's almost as if his subsequent questions/statements have been scripted according to a 'decision tree' of what the reply is - and he searches round for the appropriate next question, a process that just doesn't come cross well!
 
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Foxholer said:
Touche!

Speaking of which....

A quote from a BBC article....
<begin quote>
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has described Jeremy Corbyn as the "Kremlin's useful idiot" over his response to the Salisbury poisoning.

He said the Labour leader was giving Moscow "propaganda" false credibility by refusing to "unequivocally" back the government's view it was responsible.

Labour said Mr Johnson had "made a fool of himself" by misrepresenting what he was told by chemical weapons experts.

It stressed Mr Corbyn had repeatedly said the evidence pointed to Russia.
<end quote> whole article here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43686718

While BJ doesn't appear to have lied, nor made one of his - all too common - blunders, he gets another 'he's a soviet lacky' blow in against Corbyn! I believe that it's this sort of 'spin' that will prevent him ever convincing the electorate that he is capable of leading the country. His performance at PMQs is also not good enough either - he raises issues pretty well, but is quite poor at attacking replies! It's almost as if his subsequent questions/statements have been scripted according to a 'decision tree' of what the reply is - and he searches round for the appropriate next question, a process that just doesn't come cross well!
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I note you reference the BBC's article in support of JC. However I wonder from your comments if you've read BJ's well written article or just taken the selected sound bites as the gospel?
 
drdel said:
I note you reference the BBC's article in support of JC. However I wonder from your comments if you've read BJ's well written article or just taken the selected sound bites as the gospel?
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Kindly re-read my post. It wasn't 'in support of JC'. Nor was the BBC's article - just to cover the ambiguity in your first sentence!

Not a subscriber to (Sunday) Times, so not read the entire article. Johnson's writing does tend to be less gaff-prone than his speaking though! The Torygraph certainly published an article similar to the Beeb's - with its own 'spin' of course!
 
Doon frae Troon said:
...and people wonder why Labour are not making any headway.


https://wingsoverscotland.com/whose-mayhem-is-it-anyway/#more-104384
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For me it's simple - Jeremy Corbyn. Don't know what will take for me to vote Labour next time around if he's still LP leader - but it'll either have to be a very big change across a variety of policies - or something happens so very drastic in the UK that DEMANDS that the Tories are hoofed out - and there is no alternative but Labour.
 
At FMQ all Nicola needs to say to this months SLab leader is ……….and in Wales...…..and he turns into a gibbering fool.


Where's Jeremy Corbyn...….was The shout at the London Brexit march
 
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