Jeremy Corbyn

[Hobbit]

I do not hear anything like the number and ferocity of anti-EU diatribes coming from the Labour Party - though they are clearly there. And as much as Kate Hoey and Gisela Stuart are strong Brexiteers they do not demonstrate (that I have seen and heard) quite the same visceral hatred of the EU as some on the right of politics. So no - I would not consider them Eurosceptic fanatics in quite the same way, you can choose to if you wish.

Got to agree with you there. Some of the guff from the right of the Tory party is a touch sharp to say the least.

A for Corbyn, last week he reiterated the party’s intention to respect the voters choice to leave the EU. Quite what his version of Leave is..... only the faires know.

 

[Old Skier]

A for Corbyn, last week he reiterated the party’s intention to respect the voters choice to leave the EU. Quite what his version of Leave is..... only the faires know.

Will be interesting as he and his 2IC were very disparaging of the EU in many speeches prior to his elevation to leader.

Like his other foot in mouth speeches he appears to have airbrushed them from his, and it appears his supporters minds.

 

[IanM]

Short memory's, the Labour Party has been the most Euro sceptic party since the U.K. joined the Common Market.

Correct. But the Labour party disbanded when Blair and lots of posh kids took it over.... then he sold the brand to some Marxists.... (gosh, thought I was kidding, but on second reading....)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What the...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/55864...-in-parliament-at-the-height-of-the-cold-war/

...heck is The Sun up to today with it's headline splash about Jeremy Corbyn. What on earth was their agenda? Just a right wing smear I suggest in a rather pathetic attempt to undermine him - as if many Corbynites or potential supporters will be swayed by this revelation from 1986.

It was 32 yrs ago. JC met with a Czech diplomat - now being called a spy by The Sun - and told the diplomat that he disagreed with Margaret Thatcher. Well colour me blue. A leftie MP meets with a Czech diplomat and disses Maggie.

The only value the piece has is that it is important that we know the historical political background of potential leaders of the country and we can make an educated decision. Though of course I rather doubt JC would back then ever have imagined he'd be quite as close to being UK premier as he is today.

 

[IanM]

The Sun are awful, give the guy a break.... he needs the odd day off from IRA Funerals and HAMAS Rallies!!

 

[Hobbit]

What the...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/55864...-in-parliament-at-the-height-of-the-cold-war/

...heck is The Sun up to today with it's headline splash about Jeremy Corbyn. What on earth was their agenda? Just a right wing smear I suggest in a rather pathetic attempt to undermine him - as if many Corbynites or potential supporters will be swayed by this revelation from 1986.

It was 32 yrs ago. JC met with a Czech diplomat - now being called a spy by The Sun - and told the diplomat that he disagreed with Margaret Thatcher. Well colour me blue. A leftie MP meets with a Czech diplomat and disses Maggie.

The only value the piece has is that it is important that we know the historical political background of potential leaders of the country and we can make an educated decision. Though of course I rather doubt JC would back then ever have imagined he'd be quite as close to being UK premier as he is today.

So the records provided from the Czech Republic are 'fake news?' And the fact, sorry fake news, that its reported in more than just the Sun is obviously whispers in the winds. Maybe the agenda of a number of newspapers, both in the UK and abroad, is to report the news.

And just like his other meetings with the IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas are obviously the remit of a back bencher.

I can't believe your naiveness is support of the far left Labour leader. The guy has that much smoke behind him there must have been a fair few fires. Bear in mind his number 2 is an ardent Marxist, and is his choice of number 2... Corbyn is a commie in sheep's clothing.

 

[Old Skier]

Not been discussed on rant radio, can't be true.

Been a minor minion for years desperate to get the headlines, now the Marxist has them his friends seem to be rallying round to protect the terrorist loving little toe rag.

 

[IanM]

If you want some fun, check out which of the Labour front bench employ each others kids and on how much.....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So the records provided from the Czech Republic are 'fake news?' And the fact, sorry fake news, that its reported in more than just the Sun is obviously whispers in the winds. Maybe the agenda of a number of newspapers, both in the UK and abroad, is to report the news.

And just like his other meetings with the IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas are obviously the remit of a back bencher.

I can't believe your naiveness is support of the far left Labour leader. The guy has that much smoke behind him there must have been a fair few fires. Bear in mind his number 2 is an ardent Marxist, and is his choice of number 2... Corbyn is a commie in sheep's clothing.

I don't think that I suggested for a second that it was Fake News - I simply asked the question - what was The Sun up to headlining and splashing it in the way they have. Did they really think it'd make any difference to anyone? Now - as I said - I think it is important that we know that he met with the diplomat and what was discussed if that is available - and we draw our conclusions from that. So in that - I say - OK. Jb done. Is that it?

BTW - this doesn't make it less likely that I would vote for Corbyn - and doesn't make it any more likely. And as said before - currently I wouldn't.

 

[Hobbit]

I think it is important that we know he met with the diplomat and what was discussed if that is available - and we draw our conclusions from that. This doesn't make it less likely that I would vote for Corbyn - and doesn't make it any more likely. As said before - currently I wouldn't.

The overriding thing for me, both with this instance and the others, is what is a back bencher doing meeting people from organisations that were extremist. As to what was discussed, in each case with organisations like those, it wouldn't have been how to grow the best potato crop. Think about it, what would the IRA, Hezbollah, Hamas and a member of the Czech secret service really want...?

 

[bobmac]

If you want some fun, check out which of the Labour front bench employ each others kids and on how much.....

I believe after the expense scandal in 2009, MPs can't claim for tea and biscuits any more but IPSA increased the amount they can pay their 'secretary' (wife, husband, child,
etc) from £30,000 to £50,000. A nice 66% pay rise.

Having said that, they have now stopped MPs hiring family for new staff jobs but those already employed get to keep their jobs.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If you want some fun, check out which of the Labour front bench employ each others kids and on how much.....

Oh give over, they only recently learned that trick from the Tories who have been using it for donkeys years.

 

[IanM]

Read Robert Colville's piece on Corbyn. How is he out of prison?

 

[Hobbit]

Oh give over, they only recently learned that trick from the Tories who have been using it for donkeys years.

And that makes it right?

No, it makes Labour as bad as the Tories.

 

[Old Skier]

And that makes it right?

No, it makes Labour as bad as the Tories.

Lets forget about the SNP MPs that were investigated a couple of years ago but I'm sure our wings blogger would like to forget about them.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And that makes it right?

No, it makes Labour as bad as the Tories.

a] I did not say that.
b] Which was the point of my post.

Playing the man and not ball again.

 

[Hobbit]

a] I did not say that.
b] Which was the point of my post.

Playing the man and not ball again.

Playing the man and not the ball? Rubbish.

Whilst you can on occasion be obtuse and vague in making a point you, equally, misinterpret other people's point too. I was pointing out, like you, that it makes them as bad as the Tories whilst asking you a question. You don't make it clear that you were liking Labour to the Tories, you only said they'd learnt from the Tories.

Try and stop being so sensitive and precious.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not quite getting the right wing press still going after Corbyn on this Czech diplomat/spy thing.

Have they forgotten that Corbyn is a Privy Councillor and will have been security vetted to the n'th degree in advance of him being given access to national security briefings. Or are we now to be told that our security vetting teams are not quite as good as we like to think, and that they could have missed his 'many' contacts with this diplomat/spy in the mid-late 1980s.

Or are they just going after him on the basis that if they throw enough mud at Corbyn they can then tell us that some has stuck - regardless of whether it has or not. And those who are worried about Labour can declaim 'rejoice' - Corbyn is muddy.

 

[IanM]

The trouble is that he seems to support causes/organisations/countries that are our enemies..... simple as that.

As for the Right Wing Press (which he promised to close down yesterday if he gets to be PM) telling lies about him selling secrets to the Eastern Bloc... well, it's been nearly a week and no writs issued yet........ I'd have had them issued within an hour!

Yesterday he also threatened to wipe out the most profitable sector of our economy. Hundreds of thousands of jobs and billions in tax revenue. Yep....he believes Venezuela is a success... so he wants that here. Utter wombat!

And do you really think that anyone who has been a Spy has never been security vetted????

 

[Hobbit]

Not quite getting the right wing press still going after Corbyn on this Czech diplomat/spy thing.

Have they forgotten that Corbyn is a Privy Councillor and will have been security vetted to the n'th degree in advance of him being given access to national security briefings. Or are we now to be told that our security vetting teams are not quite as good as we like to think, and that they could have missed his 'many' contacts with this diplomat/spy in the mid-late 1980s.

Or are they just going after him on the basis that if they throw enough mud at Corbyn they can then tell us that some has stuck - regardless of whether it has or not. And those who are worried about Labour can declaim 'rejoice' - Corbyn is muddy.

Maybe this didn't come out till the Czech Security Service reached their 30 years for disclosure.

But a question that was posed in one of the papers this week. In all the meetings with The IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas why didn't Corbyn meet groups from the other side of that particular divide? Why didn't he meet with the Unionist groups, and why didn't he meet with representatives of the Jewish communities?

I don't see it as right wing 'v' left wing, I just see a guy that I just don't trust in the slightest because of who he has met and the lack of balance.

That and he is a bare faced liar. When asked numerous times if he had met the IRA he has always said he hasn't, and then Diane Abbott dropped him in it big time. She said he had but the following day tried to qualify that by saying the men were representing Sinn Fein on the day he met them... he is a liar, end of.