Is that not just grown up politics and should be encouraged?
Jeremy Corbyn
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User62651
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Easy for us to criticise as hindsight is a great thing, there's nothing wrong with trying new ideas like PFIs but if the ideas don't work it's honourable to fess up and admit to mistakes then table and make corrections. Trouble with Politicians on all sides they will never admit to mistakes, no humility. Would garner far more respect imo if they just said "Yep we meant well and we gave it a good go but we got it wrong so now we're changing things", instead they dig deeper and deeper holes for themselves and us with a combo of lies, bluff, deflection and arrogance. Will never really change, nature of the beast - short term personal gain and the country pays for it.
PFI, in its broadest terms, was the only way the large infrastructure projects could be afforded. However, the operating terms/costs are crazy. Way back when the first tranche of 10 hospitals were PFI'd I worked in one of them. Getting someone to build you a new hospital and lease it back to you sounded great...
All ancillary services come under the umbrella of the landlord and are also charged back for the 30 years of the lease. The hospital was pretty much fully re-equipped in year zero with a contractual agreement to re-equipe again at year 10, year 20 and year 30.
Its a licence to print money. How many PFI providers are struggling? None. How many PFI hospitals are running 'overdrafts' in the hundreds of millions? All of them.
Doon frae Troon
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Of course, but it is more than a bit annoying that Corbyn has pinched about half a dozen of the SNP's popular decisions [reversing some Tory policies] but he will still knock them at every opportunity.
Why not form an alliance, or is that too much of a grown up policy.
FairwayDodger
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Because, at its core, the SNP is a single issue party and labour have a different stance on that issue?
Because the SNP have cynically set out to undermine the Labour Party, allowing a Tory revival in Scotland, as a diminished Labour Party suits their agenda better than a progressive alliance would?
MegaSteve
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I think, in general, voters are wary of alliances/coalitions...
And, what will happen down here is, the media [and tories] will remind us regularly of past anti Londoners rhetoric from the SNP... Labour would [and should] be wary of any move that could impact on their London vote where they are very strong...
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Doon frae Troon
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If I were Jeremy I would ca canny on slagging off the SNP.
MegaSteve
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Bit of a difference [for me anyway] 'slagging off' folk, as the SNP have done with Londoners, and Jezzer taking a pop at a political party...
In many ways the ideals/aims/policies of each party are similar...
However, as I've already said, voters are wary of alliances/coalitions...
Doon frae Troon
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I think the Scottish Labour party has managed to self distruct quite well without any help from the other parties.
Johanna Baxter's speech to conference on equal pay for women in Scotland being a good example.
The 'annual' Leaders elections another.
FairwayDodger
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Oh they are indeed inept, but my point stands.
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So Scottish Labour have new pro-Corbyn leader Richard Leonard. Can he significantly revive Labour up north as after all if Labour and Corbyn are ever to get power they need far more MPs than the current 7 in Scotland you'd think.
I see old ScotLab leader Kez Dugdale is in I'm a celebrity, Get me out of here this year, quite surprised at that tbh. Could end up like George Galloway in Celeb Big Brother a few years ago...cringe.:mmm:
I see old ScotLab leader Kez Dugdale is in I'm a celebrity, Get me out of here this year, quite surprised at that tbh. Could end up like George Galloway in Celeb Big Brother a few years ago...cringe.:mmm:
Doon frae Troon
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The new SLAB leader seems quite a decent chap.
Mind you, compared to the last five leaders a dead donkey would be a good choice.
Perhaps the SNP just might finally have a credible intelligent opposition.
A sitting MSP taking part in a 4th rate personality contest half way around the world is an insult to her voters/party/parliament/country.
Shame on her.
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Doon frae Troon
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Great to see the Bio Fab jobs have been saved thanks mainly to the Scottish Governments intervention.
SLAB new leader steps in to attempt to steal the glory,
What a numpty......sadly same as, same as for Labour, their supporters must be in despair.
Blue in Munich
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About the most sensible comment on politicians I've seen on here. :thup:
spongebob59
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Corbyn 'if we want workers earning better pay we need stronger trade unions and most effective way of boosting workers' pay'
Yes, that worked out well for the train drivers and guards, what about the passengers
Yes, that worked out well for the train drivers and guards, what about the passengers
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Corbyn 'if we want workers earning better pay we need stronger trade unions and most effective way of boosting workers' pay'
Yes, that worked out well for the train drivers and guards, what about the passengers
An unexpected consequence of leaving the EU with the associated risks to secure employment rights - the resurgence of organised employee representation?
Old Skier
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Prove it, but in the proper thread.
drdel
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JC is now lower in the polls than PM!!
Doon frae Troon
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We are therefore totally doomed..........65m Brits and this is the best we can do.
I watched 10 minutes of PMQ and a bit of the budget today.
The behaviour and manners of those well paid elected members would disgrace an inner city nursery.
spongebob59
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Anyone else think he sounds like a Dalek when he gets going 
