SwingsitlikeHogan
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I have time for most of what Keir Starmer says.
Jeremy Corbyn
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I have time for most of what Keir Starmer says.
Hmm, some of the biggest moaners about money and affordability on here tend to be on the golf course at least 3 times a week and are always posting in the 'what have you bought today' thread' so there's plenty of 'trickle down' going on around the country from what I can see 🤔
Also, and this is not aimed at everyone or in general as I appreciate there is real poverty out there, but, the main money moaners again tend to be those who go abroad on holiday, run 2 cars and yet sit at home all day watching Sky TV, some people dont really know or have experienced real hard times or poverty, they think it's not being able to have the weekly curry or go to the pub for the 4th time that week, although they still spend circa £250 a month on fags!
We have a culture currently that believes it's owed something even though some have never contributed or put anything into the system along with living in a 'claim society', I think this culture & society will get worse and create greater divides over the next decade.
If personal debt is increasing as you state at an alarming rate, I would bet that a large proportion of that is people living beyond their means, and that transfers to their kids attitudes, who from what I have seen of late have no appreciation of value and just expect everything and the latest gizmo, and then the merry go round keeps going.........
Also, and this is not aimed at everyone or in general as I appreciate there is real poverty out there, but, the main money moaners again tend to be those who go abroad on holiday, run 2 cars and yet sit at home all day watching Sky TV, some people dont really know or have experienced real hard times or poverty, they think it's not being able to have the weekly curry or go to the pub for the 4th time that week, although they still spend circa £250 a month on fags!
We have a culture currently that believes it's owed something even though some have never contributed or put anything into the system along with living in a 'claim society', I think this culture & society will get worse and create greater divides over the next decade.
If personal debt is increasing as you state at an alarming rate, I would bet that a large proportion of that is people living beyond their means, and that transfers to their kids attitudes, who from what I have seen of late have no appreciation of value and just expect everything and the latest gizmo, and then the merry go round keeps going.........
Beezerk
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That's what I was getting at in my previous post, I don't believe it is a 10-15 year thing at all as Tashy suggested.
Imo Chukka dropping out of the race a few years ago was purely tactical, I don't swallow his "the attention he received was more than his family wanted" (paraphrasing there slightly obviously) excuse at all . He was well advised, stood well back to let the rest of them hang themselves, and will come back in x years as the new messiah, save the party and the country and we all live happily ever after until the next scandal
When I was a kid, if your parents couldn't afford it, they didn't buy it. Now they do buy it on credit and risk bankruptcy later on. Also when I started working as a lab rat in the 1960's, the top management in my company earned about 10 times what I did. Now the difference would be several hundred times. I was pointing out the growing income inequality in this country!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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This attitude of entitlement is not limited to the poorest of society. And IMO entitlement and the resentments and anger that arise from that attitude/feeling - either personally or towards others - is what is undermining our society.
Beezerk
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Wow, how little you think of people.
I personally know of at least two lowly paid people who have gone bankrupt due to credit card debts! One was a girl I used to work with, who is a single mother! ☹️
He is a notable exception. I was amazed he took the post as everyone linked to Corbyn is likely to be tarred with the same brush when he goes. There will be a near total purge. I hope Starmer survives but he may not.
Not as rare as you think. I know a number of people who have gone down this route, others who are heading this way with their eyes wide open. It is relatively easy to go bankrupt and you come out of it fairly unscathed within a short period of time. In the meantime you have filled your boots and had a whale of a time. Not my way but for some people they see it as a viable option. Consumerist society, must have, entitlement etc. Very sad.
Beezerk
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Yeah of course mate, I know plenty myself, it's the tarring of everyone with the same brush thing though.
Agreed. Ironically I know a couple who are heading down this route at the moment at a fair rate of knots. Not single parents, not youngsters. Two elderly people who are playing the credit card game. Maxed out 3 cards, now doing 0% balance transfers to free up existing ones. They have virtually no assets, income is fixed and not huge but with over £30k on cards. They are still spending. I am certain they are going down the bankruptcy route without a care in the world, they have no other way out. Not the usual stereotype.
The idiots here are the credit card companies who are still throwing them out to people without any real checks on their ability to repay.
The idiots here are the credit card companies who are still throwing them out to people without any real checks on their ability to repay.
Crazyface
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It's what happens under the Tories. The longer they are in power the worse it gets. The poor are then chasing rainbows...and end up in debt.
Crazyface
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If I had no assets and was of a certain age, I'd do the same.
I can see their logic. Why struggle in old age when they can have one last hurrah with no consequences for them. No house to speak of so no asset to lose. They will die before it catches up with them or they will go bankrupt, have no assets to lose and so their lifestyle will not really change other than they will have to live within their budget for once. Consequence free spending for them
Tristram Hunt has resigned to take a job at the V & A. May not mean much to many but he is a very sensible bloke and exactly the type of MP Labour need. He clashed with Corbyn and could not bring himself to tow the Corbyn line. A lost talent and I hope not too many more like him go before the Corbyn experiment finally ends.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Yup - Labour really didn't need to lose TH to the V&A - when I heard that news this morning my thoughts were exactly yours. Worrying the fact that he has decided to jilt Labour and get out of politics - hopefully not for good. Maybe he just feels he needs out of the Labour chaos for 5-10yrs - let Labour sort themselves out; crash and burn; or be completely dumped by the electorate, then look at whether he wants to come back.
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At the moment the Labour Party has less chance of forming the next Government than a snowflake in a furnace. I predict that more people will vote Lib-Dem, UKIP (assuming that they don't self destruct again) and SNP than Labour under Corbyn's leadership!
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
And Conservative.
That goes without saying!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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...and I note that he gets an uplift in his salary from £71k to about £240k - hmmm - battle with Corbyn and Momentum or move to the V&A on 3x the money - let me think...
