Jeremy Corbyn

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The more I listen to Corbyn acolytes - the more I hear delusion and paranoia. Maybe the two are easy bed-fellows - certainly seem to be so for these folks.

Putting aside Scotland an NI for the moment (and the effect of boundary changes). There are Westminster 573 seats covering England and Wales - so 287 needed for an E&W majority. Currently Labour have 230 MPs - they need to win 57 more seats than they currently have to have a majority in E&W. Add in 75 seats for NI and Scotland and Labour need to win 132 seats in E&W and lose none - NEVER EVER going to happen under JC - maybe might never happen under ANY Labour leader. Labour have got to knock SNP completely and utterly off their perch in Scotland to even have an outsiders. And that isn't going to happen whilst Labour look unelectable as a government across E&W - and under JC that is how they look - Catch 22

 

[Old Skier]

I always thought Corbyn was the Shadow Chancellors puppet (muppet) but after watching the news today it seems it's the other way around, he had to tell the man when to wave at conference.

I see from his speech it's all about:

Borrowing billions more

Introducing laws to ban tax dodgers - shame they couldn't be bothered to do it when they were in power rather than talk about it when they have no power.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I read John McDonnell's comments on the BBC News site this morning. He said "Be certain that the next Labour government will be an interventionist government".

How the hell does he know? Has he discovered the ability to foresee the future? With Corbyn in charge, the electoral boundary changes and Labour seemingly having very little chance of taking enough votes away from the SNP in Scotland to get themselves elected McDonnell will have retired long before there is a next Labour government.

 

[JollyRedDevil]

I actually think, a lot torie supporters paid the £25 just to vote JC in.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Great result for the Conservatives. The worry is that when Labour get trounced at the next election and Corbyn goes then a Corbyn lite person will get voted in as the next leader by the same hard core supporters. The party could be stuck for a while with unelectable leaders.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Great result for the Conservatives. The worry is that when Labour get trounced at the next election and Corbyn goes then a Corbyn lite person will get voted in as the next leader by the same hard core supporters. The party could be stuck for a while with unelectable leaders.

Without Scotland, Labour have to win big across England - and under JC I just don't see that happening - maybe not even under another leader - though Chuka Umunna might have a chance - but only of getting Labour into minority gov in 2025. And only way Labour will do that would be if by 2025 things were seen to have gone badly awry with Brexit - and I don't want that to happen. Next Labour gov 2030 anyone?


Am I being way too pessimistic about Labour? Someone convince me that I am please.

 

[jp5]

I think you're being overly optimistic of anyone else's chances in Labour relative to Corbyn.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I think you're being overly optimistic of anyone else's chances in Labour relative to Corbyn.

You mean Chuka Umunna leading a Labour Party in a minority gov following 2025 election?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Umunna is a very good option and ideally I see him taking over after the next election. With the way the voting system is set up and the current make up of the membership I don't see Corbyn being removed before the next election. 2025 is the earliest I can see Labour having any influence again.

The Conservatives could dominate for some time but history shows these things seem to go in cycles as a long term govt often run out of power and steam unless the leader is replaced every so often and new blood brought in with new ideas, rarely happens. Labour's best chance is that the Conservatives run out of ideas and Chukka offers a new approach, as happened with Blair after the Thatcher / Major era.

 

[Old Skier]

I actually think, a lot torie supporters paid the £25 just to vote JC in.

They didn't need to this time around as they knew the far left was going to grab the party with Corbyns backing - he's been praying for this for a while but as with normal Labour maths he doesn't realise that his support is tiny compared to the people who actually vote so nothing adds up.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Labour seem to be following the EVEL lead by trying to kick out Scots and Welsh representation from their NEC.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Labour seem to be following the EVEL lead by trying to kick out Scots and Welsh representation from their NEC.

I wonder if that is because the Scots on the NEC realise that Labour in Westminster is stuffed unless it brings on board Labour voters in Scotland - and they know that that requires a big migration of voters from the SNP and that just won't happen with JC leading the way (to oblivion?) and looking hopeless in respect of electability to Westminster government.

 

[SocketRocket]

Labour seem to be following the EVEL lead by trying to kick out Scots and Welsh representation from their NEC.

Keep fishing Doom

 

[Old Skier]

A leader who refuses to accept party policy. You couldn't make it up.

 

[SocketRocket]

I wonder if that is because the Scots on the NEC realise that Labour in Westminster is stuffed unless it brings on board Labour voters in Scotland - and they know that that requires a big migration of voters from the SNP and that just won't happen with JC leading the way (to oblivion?) and looking hopeless in respect of electability to Westminster government.

They have no chance of attracting the vote from the mainstream who are not the hundreds of thousands of naïve or ill-informed individuals who have happily signed up to a Labour Party captured by a Marxist clique devoted to class warfare and the revolutionary/idealistic breakdown of our society.

 

[Tashyboy]

Just listened to him when asked about would he still bomb the IS forces. How his supporters can listen to that and think " he is the man". Pathetic excuse for a party leader. If this is how labour picks its leaders the. They ain't gonna be in power for a long time.

 

[Hobbit]

An interesting shadow cabinet. Diane Abbott as shadow Home Secretary. Now there's a well balanced and fair individual. Obviously no favouritism.

 

[chippa1909]

I wonder if that is because the Scots on the NEC realise that Labour in Westminster is stuffed unless it brings on board Labour voters in Scotland - and they know that that requires a big migration of voters from the SNP and that just won't happen with JC leading the way (to oblivion?) and looking hopeless in respect of electability to Westminster government.

20% swing from labour to SNP in Glasgow by election today. Doesn't look like that 'migration' is happening anytime soon.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

An interesting shadow cabinet. Diane Abbott as shadow Home Secretary. Now there's a well balanced and fair individual. Obviously no favouritism.

Described as spiteful and vindictive by some within the party so Labour a long way from being a unified party. Abbott was a Corbin supporter so was this reward for her loyalty?

 

[Hobbit]

Described as spiteful and vindictive by some within the party so Labour a long way from being a unified party. Abbott was a Corbin supporter so was this reward for her loyalty?

If you Google Diane Abbott you'll find out she was more than a supporter...

And the Youtube clips of the 'car crashes' she's had are unbelievable.