Jeremy Corbyn

[HomerJSimpson]

Regardless of the number of Party members or the number of votes he got in the leadership election, he has to regain the support of the MPs who triggered the whole election process in the first place.
Nothing has changed on that front.
The bulk of the Labour MPs don't want him as their leader. Will they try again or just defect or set up a new party...?

Either option seem viable sooner rather than later. How long would it take for a breakaway party to be formed? SUrely then, it only dilutes labour support even further and makes a Tory win at the next election seem a formality. I guess the easier option would be start a new election fight. Again how long has to pass before this happens but will the party mainstay simply vote for Corbyn again? Surely the best Labour outcome would be for him to simply walk away but I can't see that happening

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Getting 300,000 votes from labour party members does not make Labour electable as a Government. In fact having GC as leader I think it will have the effect of pushing a large number of traditional Labour voters into other camps, whether those camps will be Tory, Lib Dem or UKIP who knows? Local MP candidates will have to offer policies that Corbynites demand and that will not be the policies that the majority of voters agree with.

I believe the traditional Labour voters have been voting for the Tories for the last decade.
Corbyn is re-engaging the modern 'traditional Labour voters'.

 

[Hobbit]

I believe the traditional Labour voters have been voting for the Tories for the last decade.
Corbyn is re-engaging the modern 'traditional Labour voters'.

I think it's the exact opposite Doon. Those traditional Labour voters who've been voting Tory are at best centre-ist, or right of centre. Corbyn and many of his supporters are left of centre.

Far from bringing in the disenfranchised traditional Labour voters, he's driving them away. What he is attracting is the far left as Michael Foot did.

Labour is becoming a protest party, and not fit to govern.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I believe the traditional Labour voters have been voting for the Tories for the last decade.
Corbyn is re-engaging the modern 'traditional Labour voters'.

I swear you get more and more barmy the older you get! (happens to the best of us.)

Have you seen the type of people who have been attracted as members. No likelihood of the vast majority of them ever voting Conservative, many of them are barely old enough to vote.

Certainly they seem to have little or nothing in common with Labour's traditional core vote.

Strength of numbers in party membership rarely has an effect upon election results, if you added all these new members to the total who voted Labour in 2015 it still would not be enough.

The party has to connect with those who are not committed, something that Blair (like him or not) was very good at and something that, so far, Corbyn seems incapable of doing.

 

[Old Skier]

Regardless of the number of Party members or the number of votes he got in the leadership election, he has to regain the support of the MPs who triggered the whole election process in the first place.
Nothing has changed on that front.
The bulk of the Labour MPs don't want him as their leader. Will they try again or just defect or set up a new party...?

Umunna stated today that he wouldn't serve in the shadow cabinet.

 

[Old Skier]

Corbyn is re-engaging the modern 'traditional Labour voters'.

All he's done is re engage the ultra left of the Labour Party, some who this afternoon are still insisting on deselecting democratically elected politicians.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Heard one Corbyn supporter tell today that JC will be attractive to the disenfranchised young voter - and that he only needs to get a reasonable part of that group out to vote Labour and the next election is in the bag for Labour - and a majority government. That's what he really believed. I just don't - and I'm what might be referred to as a Christian democrat leftie.

 

[Foxholer]

I believe the traditional Labour voters have been voting for the Tories for the last decade.
Corbyn is re-engaging the modern 'traditional Labour voters'.

Completely deluded!

I think it's the exact opposite Doon. Those traditional Labour voters who've been voting Tory are at best centre-ist, or right of centre. Corbyn and many of his supporters are left of centre.

Far from bringing in the disenfranchised traditional Labour voters, he's driving them away. What he is attracting is the far left as Michael Foot did.

Labour is becoming a protest party, and not fit to govern.

This is far more likely to be the case imo!

 

[JCW]

Lots of deluded labour members , JC as PM , as much chance as the dodo being found alive in New Zealand , It just means if you don`t vote tory then you have a long time to wait to see another labour Government , maybe not in many of our life times ......................EYG

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Lots of deluded labour members , JC as PM , as much chance as the dodo being found alive in New Zealand , It just means if you don`t vote tory then you have a long time to wait to see another labour Government , maybe not in many of our life times ......................EYG

And many of those who are not deluded are rather despairing

Only way I can see Labour even having a sniff at a minority gov in 2020 would be if Brexit was a mess - and even then I suspect the electorate would give the Tories more time than elect Labour led by JC. And so to 2025 and for Labour to get in I think Brexit would have to be a real mess - and I really don't want that - despite what Brexiteers claim that we once-remainers want to see happen

 

[JCW]

And many of those who are not deluded are rather despairing

Only way I can see Labour even having a sniff at a minority gov in 2020 would be if Brexit was a mess - and even then I suspect the electorate would give the Tories more time than elect Labour led by JC. And so to 2025 and for Labour to get in I think Brexit would have to be a real mess - and I really don't want that - despite what Brexiteers claim that we once-remainers want to see happen

We need a strong Labour party or 2nd party to keep the government in power honest ..........sadly we will not see that ...............EYG

 

[Doon frae Troon]

We need a strong Labour party or 2nd party to keep the government in power honest ..........sadly we will not see that ...............EYG

Coalitions usually work well, we really need to break up the two party system.

At the mo Labour and Tories are basically four political groups.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Coalitions usually work well,

Tell that to the lib Dems,

No doubt the coalition was good for the country,

Labour has 2 problems
Firstly they are split and the parliamentary party are out of touch with the rank & file members, I Forsee a huge lurch to the left,
That's going to work isn't it.

Secondly the SNP need to lose Scotland to labour to stand even a remote chance.

Think Mrs May is rubbing her hands with glee

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I am old enough to know that 'what goes round comes around'.
[Mary Quant dresses and 1970's furniture popular ATM]

At present there is a political void on the left and I think it will be filled.

SNP are popular as the are basically centre left.
I would not call the present Labour PPL centre left.

 

[Tashyboy]

So JC calls for unity within the Labour Party. Ok. The labour Mayor or London has gone on record and said this will split the Labour Party in half. Seems to me the London Mayor is a bit more in touch than JC and his supporters.

 

[SocketRocket]

Coalitions usually work well, we really need to break up the two party system.

At the mo Labour and Tories are basically four political groups.

So they must be Coalitions which you suggest normally work well.

 

[harpo_72]

At the mo Labour and Tories are basically four political groups.

i agree with this but both parties are not strong enough to separate and differentiate. Meaning there is a left wing that is moderate and one that is a little stronger in it's views ... Like the Tories have their moderates and their hardliners.
I suspect that the hardliners are attached to their moderate side to acquire power, but in labours case their hardliners have the reigns, it would be quite ballsey to separate .. Something Cameron did not do with his leave and stay issues within his party.

 

[Old Skier]

If the labour party split it would end up splitting their resources which would mean they would never be able to form an opposition. Corbyn now wants his power house to set labour policy which will turn the majority of labour supporters away. He seems to forget that the majority of people who vote labour are not members of the party in the same way that the SNP majority voters are not SNP members.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Quite ironic that Labour's £25.000,000 debt, built up over the Blair years has finally been paid up on Corbyn's watch.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I could not vote for JC..period. Do I think all those new voters who joined the Labour party have done so to be part of the Labour party?.....no. Most I feel have joined to muddy the waters and keep the Conservatives in power, which will be for a long time coming the way it looks.
So many go on about the "working man"...but where are they? Where are the heavy industries that label applies to? I don't see people wanting to do the "old fashioned" jobs of yore, working hard doing back breaking jobs. No they're all above that and those industries dead and buried, so why does JC and his supporters think the Country wants to go back to a political party that is based on those days of yore?