Jeremy Corbyn

[Deleted member 15344]

There is no such thing as an affiliated member. There are members, affiliated supporters and registered supporters. And supporters are NOT members.

And affiliated supporters did not pay £3 to vote, that was the registered supporters.

The link I posted above explains it all very clearly.

I am merely correcting your statement that it was only members of the Labour party that elected Corbyn - it was not. Non party members who are Labour supporters also voted.

Ok :thup:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Ok I'll word it differently

9 million voted for labour at the last election

240,000 voted for Corbyn - members and affiliated members who paid a £3 to vote

The majority of Labour supporters didn't vote for Corbyn or indeed anyone in the Leader poll

That's daft looking at it like that, out of 300,000 Conservative members eleigible to vote for their Leader last time, Cameron got 134,000 votes and won but 166,000 didn't vote for him and at the election they got over 11,000,000 votes, double proof they don't want Cameron.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's daft looking at it like that, out of 300,000 Conservative members eleigible to vote for their Leader last time, Cameron got 134,000 votes and won but 166,000 didn't vote for him and at the election they got over 11,000,000 votes, double proof they don't want Cameron.

Ok I'll ask a simple question -

Did the majority of Labour Supporters vote for Corbyn as the leader ?

 

[ger147]

That's daft looking at it like that, out of 300,000 Conservative members eleigible to vote for their Leader last time, Cameron got 134,000 votes and won but 166,000 didn't vote for him and at the election they got over 11,000,000 votes, double proof they don't want Cameron.

Members of the Conservative party don't get to choose a new leader in leadership elections, the MP's get to decide.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Im afraid that they got who they voted for, those millions of "supporters" who didnt register to vote should have got off their backsides and done something about it.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with the bleeding hearts who are whining that Corbyn won, it was very well publicised in the weeks leading up to the leadership election that Corbyn was in with a real chance,

labour are a dead duck, to get back into office they are going to have to turn over the SNP in Scotland, cant see that happening any time soon AND beat the Tories in the rest of the UK and with Corbyn as leader they can kiss that goodbye too

 

[FairwayDodger]

Im afraid that they got who they voted for, those millions of "supporters" who didnt register to vote should have got off their backsides and done something about it.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with the bleeding hearts who are whining that Corbyn won, it was very well publicised in the weeks leading up to the leadership election that Corbyn was in with a real chance,

labour are a dead duck, to get back into office they are going to have to turn over the SNP in Scotland, cant see that happening any time soon AND beat the Tories in the rest of the UK and with Corbyn as leader they can kiss that goodbye too

Well I didn't get off my backside to do anything about it and, on balance, I'm relatively happy with JC. Especially so when I think who the alternatives are.

Only time will tell if Labour are a dead duck but I think the SNP are about to come a bit unstuck given the bombshell their former policy chief detonated this week so there is light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm struggling to think of any politician who stands out and looks like they could be a beacon in bad times

I think right now our politicians are at a worse standard than I have witnessed but then again I can't remember the last time one did inspire anyone or anything - it allways appears to be what they can get out of it as opposed to what good they can do

Andy Burnham has a lot of respect from people in Liverpool for the work he did in regards JFT96 campaign but struggles with policies.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Members of the Conservative party don't get to choose a new leader in leadership elections, the MP's get to decide.

Have a look at this, this says different, MP's vote for final 2 then members vote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2005

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Ok I'll ask a simple question -

Did the majority of Labour Supporters vote for Corbyn as the leader ?

It's a nothing question, you are looking for a answer that isn't coming

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's a nothing question, you are looking for a answer that isn't coming

If it's a nothing question why did you previously state that the majority of Labour Supporters wanted him as Labour leader ?

That won't be known until they ask them all.

 

[Hobbit]

Ok I'll word it differently

9 million voted for labour at the last election

240,000 voted for Corbyn - members and affiliated members who paid a £3 to vote

The majority of Labour supporters didn't vote for Corbyn or indeed anyone in the Leader poll

That's daft looking at it like that, out of 300,000 Conservative members eleigible to vote for their Leader last time, Cameron got 134,000 votes and won but 166,000 didn't vote for him and at the election they got over 11,000,000 votes, double proof they don't want Cameron.

It think Phil answered it perfectly. Unless he can unite the party and attract millions of Labour voters, not members, voters, he's nothing more than a paper tiger.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It think Phil answered it perfectly. Unless he can unite the party and attract millions of Labour voters, not members, voters, he's nothing more than a paper tiger.

Which was precisely my point and why i asked the first question

The labour leader needs to unite a party ripped apart - if Corbyn can't do that which IMO it looks like he can't then the Labour Party will not be a credible opposition to the Tories

 

[Fish]

Appointing Red Ken to oversee defence issues was a great move.....not :rofl:

Immediately gets into controversy and at first refuses to apologise but has now had to succumb to pressure, the Labour Party should start a soap, its priceless :smirk:

 

[jp5]

Long time until the next GE.

All this commotion will no doubt be just a footnote by 2020.

 

[Tashyboy]

Labour got well and truly mullered at the last election.

So much so the leader had to resign. Hardly anyone, especially floating voters were interested in what Labour promised with its manifesto.

So Labour elects a new leader, the very people that Joe public were not interested in, Labour MPs and supporters elected someone who was anonymous, who people had never heard of.

The same guy has to somehow, unite his party, win over millions of voters in Scotland, Wales and England, and he is further from achieving that than labour ever have been.

I cannot remember the last time I saw such a poor opposition to the government.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It think Phil answered it perfectly. Unless he can unite the party and attract millions of Labour voters, not members, voters, he's nothing more than a paper tiger.

Phil used statistics and those same statisitics apply to Cameron, what is the difference? More Labour people voted for Corbyn than Tories voted for Cameron, does that make Corbyn more popular?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Long time until the next GE.

All this commotion will no doubt be just a footnote by 2020.

Wise words.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Which was precisely my point and why i asked the first question

The labour leader needs to unite a party ripped apart - if Corbyn can't do that which IMO it looks like he can't then the Labour Party will not be a credible opposition to the Tories

Hindsight is a wonderful thing Phil, it's your point now he's been the leader a short while, there was a process and he won, it wasn't underhand or fixed, the candidates gave talks and point there points of view over, those eligible or interested voted, to now say the rest of labour Supporters didn't want him is amute point, hence my post about votes in the General election etc, by the way I don't support Corbyn and agree about uniting a Party, my point is, the childish behaviour of MP's not accepting democratically elected people.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Labour got well and truly mullered at the last election.

So much so the leader had to resign If you look at History virtually every leader of the main opposition party has resigned when he's lost an election. Hardly anyone, especially floating voters were interested in what Labour promised with its manifesto.

So Labour elects a new leader, the very people that Joe public were not interested in, Labour MPs and supporters elected someone who was anonymous, who people had never heard of.

Bit simplistic way of describing it, all candidates had the same opportunity and it either proves he was the most succesful speaker or the others were spectacularly weak.
The same guy has to somehow, unite his party, win over millions of voters in Scotland, Wales and England, and he is further from achieving that than labour ever have been. Some of this responsibility has to lay with the Labour MP's all they are doing is more damage.

I cannot remember the last time I saw such a poor opposition to the government.

Very poor opposition

 

[JCW]

Appointing Red Ken to oversee defence issues was a great move.....not :rofl:

Immediately gets into controversy and at first refuses to apologise but has now had to succumb to pressure, the Labour Party should start a soap, its priceless :smirk:

They will not be in power for a long time and that is not good for the UK as long as he is Head of the Labour Party , we be a one party state ..................not good at all