Jeremy Corbyn

[Hobbit]

Capturing him would seem a lot more beneficial use of JJs life than taking him out as had been done. Militarily he was nothing and the risk he himself posed to British (if we have to refer to 'our' forces) lives was minimal.

From what little I've read on his death he was approaching Raqqa in a vehicle. How do you propose getting a force to Raqqa, bearing in mind it is a major HQ for IS, and do you think it safe to send a kidnap squad, sorry arresting officer, in to a place like that?

I would prefer capture, questioning and trial too but I don't think JJ was that spotty teenager guilty of anti social behaviour on the local village green.

 

[Tashyboy]

How? Surely they are housed separately from proper criminals and played christian rock songs 24 hours a day, and made to go to christian bible readings. Have we no idea how to treat these bloomin' flippin' idiots?

Sadly not, but they said that, the main targets of the religious grooming are young white males who are lets say not of the highest intelligence.

Not quite sure where the term "shoot to kill" policy came from but with the government stating that it has stopped X number of terrorist activities over the last few months. Would it suggest that there is not a " shoot to kill " policy anyway.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sadly not, but they said that, the main targets of the religious grooming are young white males who are lets say not of the highest intelligence.

Not quite sure where the term "shoot to kill" policy came from but with the government stating that it has stopped X number of terrorist activities over the last few months. Would it suggest that there is not a " shoot to kill " policy anyway.

Rules of engagement dictate that if lethal force is to be used they you shoot to kill as opposed to shoot to main etc

 

[Deleted member 16999]

JJ was a modern day Lord Haw Haw.
Nothing to prove that he was anywhere near or involved in the killings. They probably just used his voice.

By targets, I meant the individual targeted not the geographical position.

Having seen some of the vids and the reports that followed, he did some of the beheadings, he was identified from the videos, not just voice recognition.

 

[Hobbit]

Even Hilary Benn, Corbyn's own Shadow Foreign Sec has said Corbyn is wrong. And Corbyn got a very rough ride from his own MP's at last night's PLP meeting over a number of his comments surrounding foreign policy in the middle east. Not quite uniting the Labour Party... Bring in David Milliband before its too late to pull the party together before the next election.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Even Hilary Benn, Corbyn's own Shadow Foreign Sec has said Corbyn is wrong. And Corbyn got a very rough ride from his own MP's at last night's PLP meeting over a number of his comments surrounding foreign policy in the middle east. Not quite uniting the Labour Party... Bring in David Milliband before its too late to pull the party together before the next election.

He may be a very principled and honest man, just can't believe he Party leader material, never mind a remotely possible PM, if he can't unite his Party, he could be doing irreversible damage, still doesn't excuse the behaviour of others in Politics and the media.

 

[Tashyboy]

Even Hilary Benn, Corbyn's own Shadow Foreign Sec has said Corbyn is wrong. And Corbyn got a very rough ride from his own MP's at last night's PLP meeting over a number of his comments surrounding foreign policy in the middle east. Not quite uniting the Labour Party... Bring in David Milliband before its too late to pull the party together before the next election.

This^^^😉

 

[Doon frae Troon]

He may be a very principled and honest man, just can't believe he Party leader material, never mind a remotely possible PM, if he can't unite his Party, he could be doing irreversible damage, still doesn't excuse the behaviour of others in Politics and the media.

You cannot just ignore the massive vote Corbyn got from the Labour membership.
He was chosen to lead the party not the even more unelectable sulking shadow front benchers

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You cannot just ignore the massive vote Corbyn got from the Labour membership.
He was chosen to lead the party not the even more unelectable sulking shadow front benchers

The vote doesn't mean that the party isn't split apart and tearing more and more each week.

He is not the person to unite them or to take them to an election win. The party will continue to fight between themselves whilst the stories rub their hands with glee at the lack of a credible opposition.

And back to JJ - did you see the beheading videos that he starred in ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You cannot just ignore the massive vote Corbyn got from the Labour membership.
He was chosen to lead the party not the even more unelectable sulking shadow front benchers

I'm not, but there's currently not enough of them to get him to No 10, and with his own MP's moaning and the media being mischevious, he doesn't seem to be winning more people over.

 

[Fish]

You cannot just ignore the massive vote Corbyn got from the Labour membership.
He was chosen to lead the party not the even more unelectable sulking shadow front benchers

I watched him live today after DC's speech in parliament and he doesn't come across very well, he fluffs his words, loses the thread of what he's reading and has to constantly re-compose himself, he couldn't rally anything, he's not believable in any way, although he did acknowledge and gave mutual support to everything Dave stated, after coming under attack from within that wasn't a surprise but you could sense and feel he didn't mean it!

 

[Tashyboy]

Favourite to become the Labour leader........who would have called that one?

I knew Labour had to move to the left to become electable outwith Scotland but did not think it would happen that quickly.

This was the OPs original post, my comments which seemed to have sparked a recent surge in comments re JC both anti and pro were for one reason only.

I never knew a single thing about him, I had never heard of him, and as the OP said, who would of called that one.

correct me if I am wrong ( and I am in the right place for that one), but the post was about a new unlikely leader of the opposition Labour Party who would give the Tories a run for there money up to and including the next election.

He is not capable of uniting his own party, never mind the electorate and for that reason his comments "rub me up the wrong way" and he will not be getting my support at the next election.

 

[freddielong]

I don't get the last two labour leaders at all, it's almost as if labour are throwing a few elections to give the conservatives a chance to sort out the economy (again). Then they will try to swoop in and bankrupt the country again like they normally do.

 

[Old Skier]

The mans a lightweight around a very poor bunch of current politicians. Poor speaker and tends to ramble. Needs to start acting like an opposition leader with united strong policies. He may have a niche group of support outside of Parliament but if he cannot cannot bring his sitting MPs with him he's had it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The mans a lightweight around a very poor bunch of current politicians. Poor speaker and tends to ramble. Needs to start acting like an opposition leader with united strong policies. He may have a niche group of support outside of Parliament but if he cannot cannot bring his sitting MPs with him he's had it.

Agreed.

 

[toyboy54]

Wish for someone with some character and presence(plus political nous)as John Smith....Definetly not the charlatans that came after

Jimbo

 

[Billythefish]

I don't get the last two labour leaders at all, it's almost as if labour are throwing a few elections to give the conservatives a chance to sort out the economy (again). Then they will try to swoop in and bankrupt the country again like they normally do.

Always been the same. Labour spend and give out benefits like sweets until the money runs out. Brown selling the gold, the pensions. All money wasted. Oh by the way, there is no money left' remember that?

labour will love being in opposition fora few years (i will love them being in opposition as well). Gives em a chance to moan about everything while not having to do a tap to remedy anything

i see mr blair purchased his 34th property the other day. It was his illegal war that helped start the mess the world is in.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Always been the same. Labour spend and give out benefits like sweets until the money runs out. Brown selling the gold, the pensions. All money wasted. Oh by the way, there is no money left' remember that?

labour will love being in opposition fora few years (i will love them being in opposition as well). Gives em a chance to moan about everything while not having to do a tap to remedy anything

i see mr blair purchased his 34th property the other day. It was his illegal war that helped start the mess the world is in.

Slight exaggeration there to suggest that Iraq II was Blair's war. I think I spotted others involved in decision making - or am I mistaken. No I'm not - looks like Bush also had a hand in it.

 

[Hobbit]

Slight exaggeration there to suggest that Iraq II was Blair's war. I think I spotted others involved in decision making - or am I mistaken. No I'm not - looks like Bush also had a hand in it.

Bush didn't tell us we had to go to war, Blair did. Blair was part of the gang that took us into an illegal war, defying the UN at that time. What is the difference between Argentina invading the Falklands and the UK being part of a coalition that invaded Iraq?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Bush didn't tell us we had to go to war, Blair did. Blair was part of the gang that took us into an illegal war, defying the UN at that time. What is the difference between Argentina invading the Falklands and the UK being part of a coalition that invaded Iraq?

I was commenting on the statement It was his illegal war that helped start the mess the world is in.