Jeremy Corbyn

[FairwayDodger]

Funny all the condemnation for Blair's illegal war and the condemnation of Corbyn for wanting to do things legally. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, it would appear.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The mans a lightweight around a very poor bunch of current politicians. Poor speaker and tends to ramble. Needs to start acting like an opposition leader with united strong policies. He may have a niche group of support outside of Parliament but if he cannot cannot bring his sitting MPs with him he's had it.

The loud shouty speakers always think that they speak for the majority when they do not.
The quiet ones tend to listen to the majority and allow them to speak.

You only have to listen to your fellow golf club members to understand that one.

Classic big voice/little voice from OS
He says Corbyn has a niche support.....that niche support was nearly 60% of the membership and I believe it was the biggest winning margin of any Labour leader.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The loud shouty speakers always think that they speak for the majority when they do not.
The quiet ones tend to listen to the majority and allow them to speak.

You only have to listen to your fellow golf club members to understand that one.

Classic big voice/little voice from OS
He says Corbyn has a niche support.....that niche support was nearly 60% of the membership and I believe it was the biggest winning margin of any Labour leader.

Do you think that Corbyn will unite Labour ?

Do you think that he has the support of the majority of labour "Mp's"

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Do you think that Corbyn will unite Labour ?

Do you think that he has the support of the majority of labour "Mp's"

That's not the point Phil, the majority of Labour Supporters wanted him to lead the Party, there wishes should be respected, The MP's are there to serve there constituents, they should be backing him and showing a United front as a Party, not squabbling.
Does any Leader unite the whole Party, other Parties Leaders have their critics.

 

[Old Skier]

The loud shouty speakers always think that they speak for the majority when they do not.
The quiet ones tend to listen to the majority and allow them to speak.

You only have to listen to your fellow golf club members to understand that one.

Classic big voice/little voice from OS
He says Corbyn has a niche support.....that niche support was nearly 60% of the membership and I believe it was the biggest winning margin of any Labour leader.

Labour MPs are lining up in media to condemn the man. If he cannot unite the party within parliament he can have the largest support ever held by a Labour leader, his undoing is that his supporters don't have any say at the moment. If it leads to a split he might end up leading a party of 6.

He is also that nieve he wasted a question at PMQs today knowing that a question on the budget statement would never be answer before the statement is officially made.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Do you think that Corbyn will unite Labour ?

Do you think that he has the support of the majority of labour "Mp's"

1] Much too early to say.
2] I do not know.......I know the shadow ministers who resigned [who were roundly rejected by the electorate] are upset about losing all of their additional perks. They were the people who did not come up with any policies except.........tell us what you want and we will do it....... No leadership or guidance whatsoever.
As I said you cannot just ignore the support Corbyn has from the people.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That's not the point Phil, the majority of Labour Supporters wanted him to lead the Party, there wishes should be respected, The MP's are there to serve there constituents, they should be backing him and showing a United front as a Party, not squabbling.
Does any Leader unite the whole Party, other Parties Leaders have their critics.

Good point, some of these MP's think they are untouchable.
It will be interesting to see how the membership view then, disloyal to the party, worthy of deselection?
Many Scottish Labour MP's thought they were untouchable.
Only one left now.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Good point, some of these MP's think they are untouchable.
It will be interesting to see how the membership view then, disloyal to the party, worthy of deselection?
Many Scottish Labour MP's thought they were untouchable.
Only one left now.

Not sure the Scottish Labour MP's losing their seats was down solely to Milliband, more down to a surge in SNP Support

 

[Deleted member 15344]

1] Much too early to say.
2] I do not know.......I know the shadow ministers who resigned [who were roundly rejected by the electorate] are upset about losing all of their additional perks. They were the people who did not come up with any policies except.........tell us what you want and we will do it....... No leadership or guidance whatsoever.
As I said you cannot just ignore the support Corbyn has from the people.

Think you need to quantify your last statement a bit - which people are you talking about exactly in regards the support he has ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's not the point Phil, the majority of Labour Supporters wanted him to lead the Party, there wishes should be respected, The MP's are there to serve there constituents, they should be backing him and showing a United front as a Party, not squabbling.
Does any Leader unite the whole Party, other Parties Leaders have their critics.

It wasn't the majority of Labour supporters who voted for him - it was member of the Labour Party - there is a big difference between the two

The MP's are crucial to him - if he doesn't have their backing then he is leading a party of nobody

 

[Billythefish]

Funny all the condemnation for Blair's illegal war and the condemnation of Corbyn for wanting to do things legally. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, it would appear.

Difference being this enemy does have weapons which they are using on innocent people going about their business, so I think this is a lot more 'legal' than Blairs (oh and bush obviously)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Difference being this enemy does have weapons which they are using on innocent people going about their business, so I think this is a lot more 'legal' than Blairs (oh and bush obviously)

Hussain was also using weapons including chemical weapons on innocent people - tens of thousands innocent people died at the hands of Saddam Hussain

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It wasn't the majority of Labour supporters who voted for him - it was member of the Labour Party - there is a big difference between the two

The MP's are crucial to him - if he doesn't have their backing then he is leading a party of nobody

It was how the leaders are elected, we don't hold general elections for Party leaders, also Labour MP's are also members of the Labour Party, you bang on here about Scottish Yes Voters not accepting the No vote, what's the difference, the MP's should accept the result of a vote they took part in.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It was how the leaders are elected, we don't hold general elections for Party leaders, also Labour MP's are also members of the Labour Party, you bang on here about Scottish Yes Voters not accepting the No vote, what's the difference, they should accept the result of a vote they took part in.

I haven't said I don't accept the leader vote ?

Just said that it wasn't the majority of Labour supporters who voted for him - nor was it the majority of Labour supporters who wanted him as leader - it was members of the Labour Party - there is a clear difference between the two

 

[ger147]

I haven't said I don't accept the leader vote ?

Just said that it wasn't the majority of Labour supporters who voted for him - nor was it the majority of Labour supporters who wanted him as leader - it was members of the Labour Party - there is a clear difference between the two

Actually that is not correct. The people entitled to vote in the Labour Party leadership elections are members of the Labour party, affiliated suporters of the Labour party and registered supporters of the Labour party. The 2nd and 3rd groups aren't members of the Labour party.

http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/how-to-vote-for-our-next-leader-and-deputy-leader

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I haven't said I don't accept the leader vote ?

Just said that it wasn't the majority of Labour supporters who voted for him - nor was it the majority of Labour supporters who wanted him as leader - it was members of the Labour Party - there is a clear difference between the two

Didn't say you personally didn't accept the vote, it's the principle, there is no clear difference though, if anyone wants to be involved in having a say in who leads the Labour Party it's simple, join the party and have a say, it's like your saying the majority of the Country didn't want a Tory Government because they didn't vote for one by not turning up to vote. Should we start listening to the silent majorities then?

 

[Old Skier]

Actually that is not correct. The people entitled to vote in the Labour Party leadership elections are members of the Labour party, affiliated suporters of the Labour party and registered supporters of the Labour party. The 2nd and 3rd groups aren't members of the Labour party.

http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/how-to-vote-for-our-next-leader-and-deputy-leader

Next time round they can sack all the current Labour MPs and vote in Corbyns people - job jobbed. Until then he's had it. Already move to get Benn in as an interim leader if you believe some people.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Actually that is not correct. The people entitled to vote in the Labour Party leadership elections are members of the Labour party, affiliated suporters of the Labour party and registered supporters of the Labour party. The 2nd and 3rd groups aren't members of the Labour party.

http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/how-to-vote-for-our-next-leader-and-deputy-leader

Ok I'll word it differently

9 million voted for labour at the last election

240,000 voted for Corbyn - members and affiliated members who paid a £3 to vote

The majority of Labour supporters didn't vote for Corbyn or indeed anyone in the Leader poll

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Didn't say you personally didn't accept the vote, it's the principle, there is no clear difference though, if anyone wants to be involved in having a say in who leads the Labour Party it's simple, join the party and have a say, it's like your saying the majority of the Country didn't want a Tory Government because they didn't vote for one by not turning up to vote. Should we start listening to the silent majorities then?

I just asked Doon a couple of relevant questions - will he be able to unite Labour and does he have the backing of the Labour MP's

I believe the answer to both those questions is a clear no - now and in the future

It's just false to say that the majority of labour supporters wanted Corbyn as leader

 

[ger147]

Actually that is not correct. The people entitled to vote in the Labour Party leadership elections are members of the Labour party, affiliated suporters of the Labour party and registered supporters of the Labour party. The 2nd and 3rd groups aren't members of the Labour party.

http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/how-to-vote-for-our-next-leader-and-deputy-leader[/QUOTE
Ok I'll word it differently

9 million voted for labour at the last election

240,000 voted for Corbyn - members and affiliated members who paid a £3 to vote

The majority of Labour supporters didn't vote for Corbyn or indeed anyone in the Leader poll

There is no such thing as an affiliated member. There are members, affiliated supporters and registered supporters. And supporters are NOT members.

And affiliated supporters did not pay £3 to vote, that was the registered supporters.

The link I posted above explains it all very clearly.

I am merely correcting your statement that it was only members of the Labour party that elected Corbyn - it was not. Non party members who are Labour supporters also voted.