Jeremy Corbyn
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Nope - never - well not since I was a scout. You seem to suggest that in your experience most folk are on the tax fiddle not declaring income?
My Mrs used to do private nursing work - and I had to persuade her to claim valid allowances against her private work income as she worried that she might not pay enough tax. We aren't all at it.
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
I would never go so far as to say everyone, but a lot of people are happy to pay cash in hand for jobs, or take cash in hand for work when they can. How many bar staff do you think declare their tips?
I'm not justifying any tax evasion by any means, but I also think people can confuse avoidance with evasion in these kind of debates.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Whats much worse than tax avoidance is the wasting of it on the undeserving!
Ethan
Money List Winner
I think he meant data from a credible source rather than a right wing fear mongering group known to oppose immigration.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
What's much worse than wasting on the undeserving is denying it to the deserving!
I think you'd agree.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I do agree. Although what classifies the deserving is a matter of opinion.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
They justify their data from credible sources. Did you read any of it?
Heres a typical note to one of their papers explaining the source of their data:
Derived from 2012 Office of National Statistics population projections, using a net migration scenario of 298,000 a year http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/npp/national-population-projections/2012-based-projections/index.html
Heres some more:
Notes
URL: http://www.cream-migration.org/files/FiscalEJ.pdf
URL: http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings
There you go again. Casting aspersions against something that opposes your personal view rather than explain where they may be wrong.
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Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...attacks-on-labour-leader-rivals-10452587.html
Oh dear, desperation or what.
Don't do as I do, do as I say.
Oh dear, desperation or what.
Don't do as I do, do as I say.
Ethan
Money List Winner
The Labour management are really trying to derail Corbyn, so the dirty tricks campaign is now gathering momentum. Expect much more of this for the rest of the voting window.
Ethan
Money List Winner
If you can't see that data taken from a special interest group with an agenda is biased, then there really is no point in trying to discuss it any further with you. You are beyond reason.
I haven't read through all this thread, but has Corbyn's rather suspect 'associations' been discussed (if so, move on!!)
Below is the sort of media that is only going to heighten if he gets the leadership - the more mainstream Jewish media will crank up the pressure unbelievably. They are simply waiting for him to be elected to really go to town on Labour IMO. Could be an absolute disaster unless he comes out and addresses much of this with real clarity asap.
I'm not Jewish and have next to zero knowledge on Corbyn so I'm certainly not pointing fingers, but it's interesting nonetheless.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer
Below is the sort of media that is only going to heighten if he gets the leadership - the more mainstream Jewish media will crank up the pressure unbelievably. They are simply waiting for him to be elected to really go to town on Labour IMO. Could be an absolute disaster unless he comes out and addresses much of this with real clarity asap.
I'm not Jewish and have next to zero knowledge on Corbyn so I'm certainly not pointing fingers, but it's interesting nonetheless.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer
Foxholer
Blackballed
Here's the summary from one of the 'other' links you quoted in Post 169. http://www.cream-migration.org/files/FiscalEJ.pdf
<Quote>
We investigate the fiscal impact of immigration on the UK economy, with a focus on the period since
1995. Our findings indicate that, when considering the resident immigrant population in each year
from 1995 to 2011, immigrants from the European Economic Area (EEA) have made a positive fiscal
contribution, even during periods when the UK was running budget deficits, while Non-EEA
immigrants, not dissimilar to natives, have made a negative contribution. For immigrants that arrived
since 2000, contributions have been positive throughout, and particularly so for immigrants from
EEA countries. Notable is the strong positive contribution made by immigrants from countries that
joined the EU in 2004.
<End Quote>
Doesn't that contradict your statement (above) that Phil asked you to justify? At least for EEA Immigrants, which is what the major fuss is about!
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I have no intention of replying or commenting to any of your posts and you know why. Please do not ask me to again.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
That pressure was applied by the media to the SNP after referendum, that worked for them didnot it.
Labour and the right wing politicians do not seem to learn anything as the flounder on.
Such different situations that it's almost an irrelevant comparison. There is a pretty stark contrast between nationalism and supporting terrorism/denying the holocaust.
At the election the rise of the SNP hurt the left far more than the right. I for one didn't notice much pressure in mainstream media against the SNP for the election, if anything the positivity toward the extremely talented Sturgeon was the standout SNP related media post-referendum.
If the mainstream media really whip up a circus on these accusations after Corbyn gets elected it could end him (and possibly the Labour party) before he gets going. Better to address these now and nip them in the bud - I'm pretty sure most are either false or can be explained away by some savvy PR expert.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Point being that the huffing puffing national press were virtually ignored by the SNP supporters prior to the election, seems like Corbyn's supporters are doing the same.
right OK, with you. On that I completely agree.
The problems will start when he is elected IMO, as the right wing press (who will be quite happy if he wins) will then go on the attack
The problems will start when he is elected IMO, as the right wing press (who will be quite happy if he wins) will then go on the attack
Ethan
Money List Winner
Corbyn is a supporter of Palestine. That is not news nor particularly unusual on the left. He wants a fair and peaceful resolution to ease the plight of the Palestinians. He is not a holocaust denier, nor does he wish to see Israel exterminated.
The Jewish Chronicle's view of what constitutes 'anti-semitic' may be different from that of an objective outsider. They have already advised their readers not to vote for him. Nothing he can say or do will change that now.
All the rest is rhetoric. He need not, and should not, address all those accusations in detail.
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C
c1973
Guest
It was mentioned, yes. Certainly one strand was at any rate.
But tread carefully, you may fall victim to bigoted (inferred or otherwise) insinuations on your character and/or beliefs that go unchecked; and unanswered when questioned.
Imvho of course.
