Jeremy Corbyn

[Bunkermagnet]

Corbyn is a (insert many many expletives here) and if he ever got into power then we are all in trouble

Theresa May was given an impossible job with the brexit withdrawal. No one could have done the job when everyone in parliament has their own version of brexit in their heads.

And votes according to their own agendas and goals. Very few have actually voted on whats best for the country, only their own self interest.

 

[IanM]

Do you mean that countries like France, Spain, Estonia and Germany are NOT independent.
It would be a brave man to tell them that.

Depends on your definition. None of them can set their own fiscal or migration policies. Soon they will probably lose the independence of their armed forces. Estonia is dependent on EU funding. France of course are one of the "top table" so they can set a budget outside the rules applied to Italy...so I wonder how Scotland would be treated? Can you pay to prop up another insiolvent socialist system?

Bit of course, uou ignored the main point/question in my comment. Again. Ho hum

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Depends on your definition. None of them can set their own fiscal or migration policies. Soon they will probably lose the independence of their armed forces. Estonia is dependent on EU funding. France of course are one of the "top table" so they can set a budget outside the rules applied to Italy...so I wonder how Scotland would be treated? Can you pay to prop up another insiolvent socialist system?

Bit of course, uou ignored the main point/question in my comment. Again. Ho hum

I ignored your silly one sided question........so sorry.
The answer is neither. [obviously]
I am pretty certain that Scotland will thrive away from this broken Union.

If England leaves the EU and Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU......….by your rationale England will not be an independent country as they are in a UK union.

 

[User62651]

Corbyn is a (insert many many expletives here) and if he ever got into power then we are all in trouble

Theresa May was given an impossible job with the brexit withdrawal. No one could have done the job when everyone in parliament has their own version of brexit in their heads.

If they hadn't called a needless general election, then lost a reasonable parliamentary majority through sheer ineptitude, listened to the country, not drawn up ridiculous red lines etc etc then some people probably could have got Brexit done by now.

 

[drdel]

If they hadn't called a needless general election, then lost a reasonable parliamentary majority through sheer ineptitude, listened to the country, not drawn up ridiculous red lines etc etc then some people probably could have got Brexit done by now.

You seem to think this is all just up to the UK and the EU is not blocking anything we might decide/want. Such a twisted perspective repeatedly ignores that there are two 'sides' to this - the UK and the EU. The UK has been debating the benefits (or not) of EU membership as its transitioned towards federalism. Unlike the EU a democratic vote decided we should stop membership. The EU naturally wishes to block the loss of a major source of funding and a negative step towards their federal aim. The EU will stonewall because that has always been their tactic see Greece, Italy, Ireland, Spain and others. Any PM or Government (of whatever colour) would have experienced the same down to the wire issues.

 

[IanM]

I ignored your silly one sided question........so sorry.
The answer is neither. [obviously]
I am pretty certain that Scotland will thrive away from this broken Union.

If England leaves the EU and Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU......….by your rationale England will not be an independent country as they are in a UK union.

Difference being England isnt bitter and twisted about being in the UK like you....and what was proven to be a minority in Soctland...

...and not sure how asking about two extremes is a one sided question. But you never answer questions do you? I look forward to Scotland being a state within an Federal Europe... wont that be grand. You are happy to pay higher taxes to fund it and I am sure having the same fiscal levers as Germany will deliver similar results as seen in Greece and Italy! Nice

 

[IanM]

You seem to think this is all just up to the UK and the EU is not blocking anything we might decide/want. Such a twisted perspective repeatedly ignores that there are two 'sides' to this - the UK and the EU. The UK has been debating the benefits (or not) of EU membership as its transitioned towards federalism. Unlike the EU a democratic vote decided we should stop membership. The EU naturally wishes to block the loss of a major source of funding and a negative step towards their federal aim. The EU will stonewall because that has always been their tactic see Greece, Italy, Ireland, Spain and others. Any PM or Government (of whatever colour) would have experienced the same down to the wire issues.

...plus, I believe this a planned approach by the Tories to keep us in! (I might be wrong of course) Eg. No one would seriously remove the No-deal option from a negotiation. Bit like trying to buy a house and starting by saying you'll pay the asking price and no lower!! (but higher if you want!)

 

[drdel]

I ignored your silly one sided question........so sorry.
The answer is neither. [obviously]
I am pretty certain that Scotland will thrive away from this broken Union.

If England leaves the EU and Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU......….by your rationale England will not be an independent country as they are in a UK union.

I'd love to see Sturgeon negotiate a 'backstop' and avoid a hard border - perhaps she'd want EU funding for a wall!

 

[User62651]

You seem to think this is all just up to the UK and the EU is not blocking anything we might decide/want. Such a twisted perspective repeatedly ignores that there are two 'sides' to this - the UK and the EU. The UK has been debating the benefits (or not) of EU membership as its transitioned towards federalism. Unlike the EU a democratic vote decided we should stop membership. The EU naturally wishes to block the loss of a major source of funding and a negative step towards their federal aim. The EU will stonewall because that has always been their tactic see Greece, Italy, Ireland, Spain and others. Any PM or Government (of whatever colour) would have experienced the same down to the wire issues.

Possibly but we we'll never know, what we do know is May has made a hash of the job of PM, kept hearing calls from Leavers that we should have a PM who voted leave as they would have done a great job of Brexit, is that not still the case or are we collectively admitting that Davis or Johnson or Gove would have got no further with this than May? I dont especially like Gove but I'm confident he could have negotiated way better thn May because he has political nous but also charm when needed. Maybot cannot do this job. She had 100 MPs from her won party vote no confidence in her in December (they weren't all ERG either), lost a Brexit vote by 230 votes whilst needlessly wasting a month delaying the vote, then barely survived a confidence vote in her own government this week. That's not leadership.

 

[drdel]

Possibly but we we'll never know, what we do know is May has made a hash of the job of PM, kept hearing calls from Leavers that we should have a PM who voted leave as they would have done a great job of Brexit, is that not still the case or are we collectively admitting that Davis or Johnson or Gove would have got not further with this than May? I dont especially like Gove but I'm confident he could have negotiated way better thn May because he has political nous but also charm when needed. Maybot cannot do this job. She had 100 MPs from her won party vote no confidence in her in December (they weren't all ERG either), lost a Brexit vote by 230 votes, then barely survived a confidence in her own government vote. That's not leadership.

A different PM might have done better at the margins so I agree with you.

However I believe the issues are mostly caused by the structure of UK politics being based on a two major parties and a subjective binary question that splits arrogant politicians (almost) equally. Add the intransigent EU and its a recipe for a confusing debacle.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'd love to see Sturgeon negotiate a 'backstop' and avoid a hard border - perhaps she'd want EU funding for a wall!

What a strange comment.

 

[drdel]

What a strange comment.

Sense of humour bypass ?

 

[Hobbit]

I'd love to see Sturgeon negotiate a 'backstop' and avoid a hard border - perhaps she'd want EU funding for a wall!

Foundations are already down, and have been for thousands of years.

 

[IanM]

Clever chaps them Romans!!

....what did the Romans ever do for us? (etc etc)

 

[howbow88]

Never my experience in many years at the top table.

Lucky you. I work for one of the world's biggest brands currently, and I'm afraid this is what I encounter.

 

[howbow88]

I have never experienced such behaviour at management or board level. You wouldn't survive five minutes.

Again, not the case where I work unfortunately. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is.

 

[SocketRocket]

Again, not the case where I work unfortunately. I wish this wasn't the case, but it is.

Do you actually experience this or is it a rumour.

 

[howbow88]

Do you actually experience this or is it a rumour.

Been there, seen it, got the t-shirt. When I first saw it, I was fairly shocked. Used to it now but thankfully, I'm now very rarely going to those sort of meetings due to a change of role

 

[2blue]

Corbyn is a (insert many many expletives here) and if he ever got into power then we are all in trouble

Theresa May was given an impossible job with the brexit withdrawal. No one could have done the job when everyone in parliament has their own version of brexit in their heads.

Oh come on Cam, your lovely Thatcher could have messed it up even better... 🤣🤣

 

[Captainron]

Oh come on Cam, your lovely Thatcher could have messed it up even better... 🤣🤣

Actually. There’s the one that might have pushed it though by now?