Itv leaders debate.

[Foxholer]

Whilst I would tend to agree with your overall appraisal of the writer if you read the article there is much in it that I and many others would agree with. Scotland is likely to lean to the left as such a high proportion of the workforce are employed by the State and are, therefore, more likely to support political parties that believe in higher Government spending.

Also there is the continuing delusion of Scotland building an economy largely dependent upon oil.

No, I may not like the messenger but that does not mean I will dismiss his arguments.

Yes, there's always a danger of ignoring the 5% of truth from the 95% liar (numbers I simply grabbed out of the ether btw). But there's also enough pure political propoganda in there for me to reject it as an article to take notice of - just as I would reject the views of any writing in the publications of the Socialist Workers Party or the BNP (if such publications exist). I also don't dismiss his arguments, merely his conclusions - purely based on that 5/95% rule of selective reporting!

However, I would not be surprised if he hasn't set in Scotland for a number of years, so is simply writing from his insular concept of what is happening there! It's been a while since I've been there, but my view (from 40+ months working in Edinburgh) was that Scots are naturally more community focused (left-leaning) than Southern English. And that is whether or not they are employed by the (UK or Scottish) government.

Btw. Are you taking over my 'voice of moderation' role?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Btw. Are you taking over my 'voice of moderation' role?

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Somehow I can't see me getting the DfT seal of approval.

 

[Old Skier]

The overriding theme from what SNP supporters I see posting appears to be (and I summarise) "The UK wanted us tae stay, now you will know fear as we wreck your union..." there are many similar posts all with the same theme and all get 'likes'. It's actually quite disturbing reading the vile hatred and passion to destroy what they see as the reason they are not doing so well, no mention at all about the SNP Scottish government they have had for the last 7 years.

There are a few on here with similar traits.

Nationalist are well know for their tendency towards violence when they don't get what they want, they unfortunatly have a world wide history of it. Democracy is not something they can sign up to.

 

[Foxholer]

Nationalist are well know for their tendency towards violence when they don't get what they want, they unfortunatly have a world wide history of it. Democracy is not something they can sign up to.

Absolutely 500% correct!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nationalist are well know for their tendency towards violence when they don't get what they want, they unfortunatly have a world wide history of it. Democracy is not something they can sign up to.

Lets be careful here - there hasnt been Scottish nationalists moving towards violence to get "what they want" and i very much doubt they will - its not really a line we should go down - will add nothing but extra tension

 

[Foxholer]

Lets be careful here - there hasnt been Scottish nationalists moving towards violence to get "what they want" and i very much doubt they will - its not really a line we should go down - will add nothing but extra tension

Well the quote by CMAC shows a moderately disturbing reaction to 'not getting their own way'!

Btw. Well done getting back to Cat 1. I'm sure there's a certain Scottish resident who'll be pleased for you too!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

dont you remember George Sq after they didnt get independence- thuggery violence against anyone that was a NO voter.

That though was after, however the level of aggression on these sites beggars belief. You would think they lived in a police state. It's quite sad.

People being "aggressive" on social media isnt a new thing and more gusto that thunder - And wasnt there some violence from the No voters towards the Yes voters also. But thankfully i dont expect violent episodes from Scotlands Nationalists

 

[c1973]

Lets be careful here - there hasnt been Scottish nationalists moving towards violence to get "what they want" and i very much doubt they will - its not really a line we should go down - will add nothing but extra tension

It is historic, but I'm sure that certain scottish nationalists in the 70s 'may' have indulged or certainly seriously contemplated going down this route. Memory not 100% on this, so I wouldn't like to state it as being factual. I might have a wee Google later to satisfy my curiosity.
The word anthrax (in conjunction with a Scottish island) keeps popping into my mind for some reason, but I fear I May be confusing myself with a literary piece of fiction (not the snp fiscal plan) I've read.



After coming across this on the web last night i found myself contemplating the following today....

I don’t believe that skilled, career diplomats and civil servants (fluent English speakers all, including on the French side) – some of the most (small c) conservative and cautious people around would have inserted something so clearly important into a record of a meeting unless they were confident it had been said.

I don’t believe that The Telegraph (or any national newspaper) would print a story based on a government document unless they were confident about the source – this will have been checked out, including by lawyers.

I don’t believe that The Telegraph would have fabricated such a document either – not least because do so (especially during an election campaign) would be the kind of behaviour that could finish off a newspaper.

And crucially, I don’t believe that The Telegraph would put something on their front page that helps make Labour’s argument in Scotland (potentially helping Labour hold seats against the SNP) unless they were 100% sure. The Telegraph have shown on a near daily basis over the past five years that they want Cameron to stay and Miliband to be ground into the dust – but sometimes a paper comes across a story that is too good to overlook. Their aim, after all, is to sell newspapers.

http://labourlist.org/2015/04/what-...ore-likely-and-thats-what-matters-to-the-snp/


Made me think anyway.


Edit:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Liberation_Army

I know it's wiki, but it's a reasonably interesting read.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

People being "aggressive" on social media isnt a new thing

It even crops up in gentile golf forums :smirk::thup::cheers:

 

[Old Skier]

Lets be careful here - there hasnt been Scottish nationalists moving towards violence to get "what they want" and i very much doubt they will - its not really a line we should go down - will add nothing but extra tension

I didn't say they had gone down this route. I said nationalist tend to go down this route. Only time will tell whether the SNP tell their supporters that they lost and the majority of Scots are not interested in Independance or they can keep banging on about it and winding their supporters up.

 

[Foxholer]

It even crops up in gentile golf forums :smirk::thup::cheers:

And on Jewish ones? Or so I'm told!

 

[c1973]

And on Jewish ones? Or so I'm told!

UKIP will put an end to them methinks.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Why are the words pot, kettle and black in my head?

What was your question? Restate it and I'll happily answer it.

FGS I have just answered it for you.

I can only assume that you mean that you have "just answered" your own question because you sure as hell have still come nowhere near answering the question I asked you.

 

[FairwayDodger]

It is a stupid question, that is why I did not waste my time replying.

Noe leesten veeery caurfully...............................The only people who can verify what she said were the French Ambassador and the Edinburgh French Council. Both confirmed that she did not state a preference for Cameron as PM.....simple enough for you.

How about SNP insiders?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/key-snp-figure-defects-labour-5469873

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I can only assume that you mean that you have "just answered" your own question because you sure as hell have still come nowhere near answering the question I asked you.

:lol:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

How about SNP insiders?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/key-snp-figure-defects-labour-5469873

Not disputing that a minority Tory government would be best for the SNP in its long term plans of independence.
Trouble is Nicola still has to keep the 'devo max' voters on side to make the seats she hopes will influence Westminster.
The S[myth] Commission was a huge disappointment to that group, which prompted the huge swing towards the SNP.

With tactical voting in England a Lab/Lib coalition is still possible.
That would leave the SNP high and dry at Westminster

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Nationalist are well know for their tendency towards violence when they don't get what they want, they unfortunatly have a world wide history of it. Democracy is not something they can sign up to.

Oh come on Old Skier how can you say that when referring to Scotland ....the referendum was a triumph of moderation, on both sides.

 

[Foxholer]

How about SNP insiders?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/key-snp-figure-defects-labour-5469873

These sort of defections are pretty laughable! Non-event really!

 

[FairwayDodger]

These sort of defections are pretty laughable! Non-event really!

Only in the context of the argument on here since he backs up the story that Sturgeon would prefer a Tory government than Labour.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

How about SNP insiders?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/key-snp-figure-defects-labour-5469873

Is this the guy who didn't get selected to stand for Parliament for The SNP, and now he's 'defecting' because of something that didn't happen? Cool story.

Some folk might find this analysis interesting.

https://opendemocracy.net/ourkingdo...coup-and-labour-is-doing-nothing-to-stop-them