Is there a place for Men-Only Events these Days

[Tashyboy]

If you ban men only events a stupid precedent is set. If in a day of equality you ban men only events, you have to ban women only events. Try getting rid of the Women's institute. Where do you draw the line? Actually wonder what the PC brigade would say if there was a men's institute.
The issue here is Men using there wealth and power to sexually harass women. Hmm, sure ave heard that somewhere before.
Now answer me this, some women/waitresses voluntarily went to after dinner parties. What does that say about them? You mentioned that it was a woman who set up some men only events. What does it say about her?
Re Corbyn sacking Mandelson. Mandelson was New Labour. Not quite sure it sat nicely with Trotsky Corbyn who used it as an excuse to sack him

 

[Fish]

I would say the draconian view is of those who believe there is still a place for that.

The point being it reinforces the perception of men being in the positions of power and women as pieces of meat whose only purpose is to be ogled at.

But if those ladies enjoy it and it pays their bills, who's some old blue rinse who couldn't pick up clap in a whore house to say they shouldn't and force sporting bodies to make them unemployed.

I'm sure theirs loads of young women who do this kind work to help their extra education to go onto better things, so lets cut that umbilical cord shall we?!

 

[User20205]

If you ban men only events a stupid precedent is set. If in a day of equality you ban men only events, you have to ban women only events. Try getting rid of the Women's institute. Where do you draw the line? Actually wonder what the PC brigade would say if there was a men's institute.
The issue here is Men using there wealth and power to sexually harass women. Hmm, sure ave heard that somewhere before.
Now answer me this, some women/waitresses voluntarily went to after dinner parties. What does that say about them? You mentioned that it was a woman who set up some men only events. What does it say about her?
Re Corbyn sacking Mandelson. Mandelson was New Labour. Not quite sure it sat nicely with Trotsky Corbyn who used it as an excuse to sack him

But if those ladies enjoy it and it pays their bills, who's some old blue rinse who couldn't pick up clap in a whore house to say they shouldn't and force sporting bodies to make them unemployed.

I'm sure theirs loads of young women who do this kind work to help their extra education to go onto better things, so lets cut that umbilical cord shall we?!

There’s no issue with young women doing it if they know what they’re getting into. It’s when they sign up to be a waitress and they’re exepected to be a type of courtesan it also doesn’t really sit well with a family audience @ sporting events? ‘Daddy why is that lady in her pants?’
It also speaks volumes about the fellas that enjoy it but to ban it is nonsense, as HK said, have a good time, just don’t be a dick

 

[MegaSteve]

Re Corbyn sacking Mandelson. Mandelson was New Labour. Not quite sure it sat nicely with Trotsky Corbyn who used it as an excuse to sack him

It wasn't Mandy that was 'sacked'...
it was another with a similar moniker...

 

[Hacker Khan]

If you ban men only events a stupid precedent is set. If in a day of equality you ban men only events, you have to ban women only events. Try getting rid of the Women's institute. Where do you draw the line? Actually wonder what the PC brigade would say if there was a men's institute.
The issue here is Men using there wealth and power to sexually harass women. Hmm, sure ave heard that somewhere before.
Now answer me this, some women/waitresses voluntarily went to after dinner parties. What does that say about them? You mentioned that it was a woman who set up some men only events. What does it say about her?
Re Corbyn sacking Mandelson. Mandelson was New Labour. Not quite sure it sat nicely with Trotsky Corbyn who used it as an excuse to sack him

You draw the line when the event consists of dicks who start abusing their position and power for sexual gratification. Not sure a lot of that goes on in the WI.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You draw the line when the event consists of dicks who start abusing their position and power for sexual gratification. Not sure a lot of that goes on in the WI.

Be careful Hacker, that type of sensible reply will stop the flow of the forum male only society.
Next stop is being called a snowdrop.:lol:

 

[Hacker Khan]

But if those ladies enjoy it and it pays their bills, who's some old blue rinse who couldn't pick up clap in a whore house to say they shouldn't and force sporting bodies to make them unemployed.

I'm sure theirs loads of young women who do this kind work to help their extra education to go onto better things, so lets cut that umbilical cord shall we?!

You make it sound like the script to Pretty Woman....

 

[drdel]

Some women are keen to work at these event, I'm aware many have landed good jobs from the legitimate contracts they make.

 

[MegaSteve]

You draw the line when the event consists of dicks who start abusing their position and power for sexual gratification. Not sure a lot of that goes on in the WI.

Bloomin' snowdrop...

There I've done it...
And, I can feel the tension draining from my shoulders...

Sorting the world out is just a work in progress...
And, there's still a helluva distant horizon...

 

[clubchamp98]

I would have hoped that I have explained why you might. Of course I am not talking about events where the is no female presence whatsoever - so no female staff/waitresses etc

Why do we think that there should be male-only social events? What is the point of them?

Have you ever seen the Chippendale male dancers ? no me neither.
While I don’t condone what happened at the President Do in any way , this is a double standards issue.

Those girl hostess knew what to expect it’s been going on for years.
The only one who complained was the undercover reporter.

Most young people now think James Bond Is a “Rapist “ in the Bond films. According to the papers today!

To many people these days are pilloried for an accusation where nothing is ever proven.

Would you accept punishment for others deeds just because you were in the same room. I wouldn’t.

Its an outdated way to make charity money but it will soon be mandatory for men/ women to be present at all functions to satisfy the PC brigade gender numbers.

 

[Tashyboy]

You draw the line when the event consists of dicks who start abusing their position and power for sexual gratification. Not sure a lot of that goes on in the WI.

My point was the banning of all men events, not just the ones where serial groping is the norm.

 

[Tashyboy]

It wasn't Mandy that was 'sacked'...
it was another with a similar moniker...

Cheers mah man, thats summat else ave learned.

 

[Smiffy]

There is a difference between cheerleaders (who could’ve male or female) performing a routine for entertainment and walk on girls and F1 pit girls who serve no purpose over and above looking pretty....
The point being it reinforces the perception of men being in the positions of power and women as pieces of meat whose only purpose is to be ogled at.

Yep. I've noticed they always employ the wallflowers who walk around with faces like bulldogs chewing wasps and who don't really want to be there.
And have you noticed how their faces get more miserable when they know the camera is on them?? Maybe they are trying to let the viewing public know that they are being held against their will and wish to escape???

 

[AmandaJR]

I was having a similar conversation with a female friend yesterday and we both agreed that media storms/bandwagon clambering upon just dilutes the real issues of sexual harrassment and inequality.

It doesn't mean some of the behaviour at this particular event was acceptable but we both agreed if we were asked to dress in short tight dresses it would be a "get lost" (or stronger). Guys abusing their power and position of authority to act inappropriately though need the book throwing at them.

So yes there is a place for single gender events - just not for either gender in said events to act like idiots.

 

[Sweep]

Through golf I have been to probably a hundred dinners for men. I am not sure if it’s unusual across the country but in my union more or less all golf clubs have an annual dinner for the gentlemen. The ladies have their dinners as well. When you are Captain you are invited to a lot of neighbouring dinners. We also have mixed dinners and social events.
Whilst there is an element of “once you have been to one, you have been to them all”, the men’s dinners are enjoyable occasions and a chance to catch up with old friends. Not once in any of these events have I ever witnessed or heard of any bad behaviour. The catering staff have been treated well and usually thanked in the speeches for their service and the standard of the food.

So, just because some crusty old toff can’t behave himself all male only functions such as these should be banned, even though the vast, vast majority have never misbehaved??? All started because some ugly muppet in Hollywood that no-one had ever heard of tried to use his position to get laid just like every producer in history? They even had a name for it - the casting couch.

As others have said, bad behaviour is inexcusable and has no place in civilised society. But it’s the individual at fault not the gender of the attendees at the event.
This is just the PC press pushing their trendy male bashing agenda. We need to get real and quick.

A few weeks ago I was watching “Gogglebox”. Those two funny gay guys were watching something and were openly ogling some bloke and making lewdish comments about him. In the same program the two old ladies from Bristol were doing the same over another bloke on TV. Just last week on “First Dates Hotel” two older women were ogling a bloke who looked like he lived in the gym. All no big deal. But it was Mrs Sweep who pointed out that if those instances were men, particularly middle aged or old men making those comments, the clips would never have been aired for fear of the backlash.

If anyone really wants to change attitudes, may I suggest they start with the attitudes being instilled into our “millennials”. If you think they are going to know how to act and behave in civilised company, maybe I could invite you to watch 5 minutes of “Geordie Shore”. Whist its funny, it does rather make the crusty old toffs seem well behaved in comparison and demonstrates that poor and “sexually aggressive” behaviour is not exclusive to a particular age group or gender.
If we are banning male only dinners, are we banning all that stuff too?

 

[Dasit]

Through golf I have been to probably a hundred dinners for men. I am not sure if it’s unusual across the country but in my union more or less all golf clubs have an annual dinner for the gentlemen. The ladies have their dinners as well. When you are Captain you are invited to a lot of neighbouring dinners. We also have mixed dinners and social events.
Whilst there is an element of “once you have been to one, you have been to them all”, the men’s dinners are enjoyable occasions and a chance to catch up with old friends. Not once in any of these events have I ever witnessed or heard of any bad behaviour. The catering staff have been treated well and usually thanked in the speeches for their service and the standard of the food.

So, just because some crusty old toff can’t behave himself all male only functions such as these should be banned, even though the vast, vast majority have never misbehaved??? All started because some ugly muppet in Hollywood that no-one had ever heard of tried to use his position to get laid just like every producer in history? They even had a name for it - the casting couch.

As others have said, bad behaviour is inexcusable and has no place in civilised society. But it’s the individual at fault not the gender of the attendees at the event.
This is just the PC press pushing their trendy male bashing agenda. We need to get real and quick.

A few weeks ago I was watching “Gogglebox”. Those two funny gay guys were watching something and were openly ogling some bloke and making lewdish comments about him. In the same program the two old ladies from Bristol were doing the same over another bloke on TV. Just last week on “First Dates Hotel” two older women were ogling a bloke who looked like he lived in the gym. All no big deal. But it was Mrs Sweep who pointed out that if those instances were men, particularly middle aged or old men making those comments, the clips would never have been aired for fear of the backlash.

If anyone really wants to change attitudes, may I suggest they start with the attitudes being instilled into our “millennials”. If you think they are going to know how to act and behave in civilised company, maybe I could invite you to watch 5 minutes of “Geordie Shore”. Whist its funny, it does rather make the crusty old toffs seem well behaved in comparison and demonstrates that poor and “sexually aggressive” behaviour is not exclusive to a particular age group or gender.
If we are banning male only dinners, are we banning all that stuff too?

There is a horrible agenda in society, an elite 0.1% of men have privilege and now society punish all men for it.




There certainly is no privilege to being young and male... Going to be a lot of confused angry young men not knowing their place in the world. Society paints one picture but their reality is something so different.

 

[Fish]

You make it sound like the script to Pretty Woman....

Yup, and like I said, offer em a grand and I reckon most would take it 😜

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There’s no issue with young women doing it if they know what they’re getting into. It’s when they sign up to be a waitress and they’re exepected to be a type of courtesan it also doesn’t really sit well with a family audience @ sporting events? ‘Daddy why is that lady in her pants?’
It also speaks volumes about the fellas that enjoy it but to ban it is nonsense, as HK said, have a good time, just don’t be a dick

...and those who recognise a dick when he is being one must pull him up. Zero tolerance. The dicks who act so in private events are more likely to take that behaviour into the public domain and into their business life if they are not reprimanded by their peers and friends.

Still conflicted on whether it was right for Lord Mendelsohn to be sacked and whether GOSH should have returned donations from The PC it has received over the last few years. At the moment I think it was wrong on both counts, but at the moment either could change of the wind changes direction.

And yes - I think there remains a good place for men-only events in today's society. But behaviour rules apply strongly and we all recognise our individual responsibilities where the event is open to a wide constituency that is in itself not self-policing - in the way a bunch of friends from a golf club would (I hope) be self-policing to the extent that bad behaviour would be unconscionable by any one of the group.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There is a horrible agenda in society, an elite 0.1% of men have privilege and now society punish all men for it.

There certainly is no privilege to being young and male... Going to be a lot of confused angry young men not knowing their place in the world. Society paints one picture but their reality is something so different.

Is a neat soundbite but it is not actually true. I for one have not been punished in any way for the behaviour of the 0.1% - have you?

 

[Sweep]

Is a neat soundbite but it is not actually true. I for one have not been punished in any way for the behaviour of the 0.1% - have you?

By starting this thread you are proving you are being punished I am afraid. You have stated that you believe there is a place for men only functions. But this is under threat and the fact that you felt compelled to ask the question proves it. Your attitude (and mine) are being held up as outdated. A poll on Sky News found 17% actually think men only dinners should be banned! I appreciate that means 83% think they shouldn’t but it’s pretty shocking that nearly a fifth of those polled wanted them banned. And yet we haven’t done anything wrong.
Dasit is right. If we are not careful men won’t know their role in society. And where will that lead? You can’t keep bashing an entire gender because of the deplorable actions of a few.
eg. What is “an unwanted approach”? Asking someone if they would like a drink? Asking them to dinner? How do you know it’s unwanted until you ask?
How are men supposed to interact with women without fear of someone crying foul? We will be resorting to arranged marriages next just to keep the human race going.