Is there a place for Men-Only Events these Days

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

...as said earlier. Virtue Signalling nonsense..... bad behaviour is bad behaviour and it needs dealing with.

You cant hold everyone present responsible unless it said on the invite "Please come to our, Grope a waitress evening!"

As I have said - I do not have a settled opinion on this - specifically on whether it is right for Lord Mendlesohn to have been sacked/asked to stand down by Corbyn - simply for 'being there' and/or not leaving immediately.

But I still am not clear on the rationale that says men-only events (and I am not talking about a group of mates getting together) are acceptable - and I am not clear if the only reason for having them is that ot lets blokes speak about women in whatever way they wish without fear of retribution or rebuke.

I admit to playing Devil's Advocate here to find out what folk think...

(though in truth I'm probably the opposite to the Devil's Advocate as the Devil's Advocate would try and justify bad behaviour )

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

cheers columbo, still about the individual not the make up of gathering.
I’ve been in mixed company where someone has behaved poorly to the staff, doesn’t make the party liable

No - but if the event is such that lewd chat and sexist comments and jokes between blokes are permitted or even encouraged - then perhaps there is a greater chance of someone perpetrating a lewd act in front of female or indeed sexually harassing a female. There is a view that says where there is context in which generally unacceptable behaviour and talk is accepted, then that behaviour outside of the context is more likely to continue.

So tell me what is it about 'men-only' events that makes them popular and worthy of perpetuating.

I can't remember the last time I went to a men-only event - so it can't be something that men need to attend to be men and to have a fulfilled life.

I have to call myself out because I know that my church does a 'mens lunch' every so often.

But these are very small gatherings in public places - akin to a bunch of mates on a golf trip in the pub. I am more thinking about big private events where there is actually no reason for women not being there other than they are not 'wanted', and the nature of the event (well-oiled blokes) increases inappropriate 'lads chat'.

 

[User20205]

Just don’t go to them, I don’t:thup:
Some blokes enjoy the company of other blokes, they may tell a saucy joke, they may even objectify women. Doesn’t make em Jimmy saville.


Or just ban em & we can all go to church & be pious together

 

[Hacker Khan]

To be honest I can't think of anything worse than a social event with just men sat around in suits so I'd avoid one where ever possible. But if other men prefer that kind of company and vibe then knock yourself out. Just don't behave like a dick.

 

[User20205]

To be honest I can't think of anything worse than a social event with just men sat around in suits so I'd avoid one where ever possible. But if other men prefer that kind of company and vibe then knock yourself out. Just don't behave like a dick.

Yep 100%

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Round Table is all male in the same way that WI is all female. I've been to dinners which are mixed, some are all male. Nothing wrong with either. All money from round table goes to local charities.

Witch hunt is the phrase that currently springs to mind.

 

[Hobbit]

I've been to a number of gentlemen's dinners that included comedians that sailed very close to the edge. Would I want a woman there, including waiting on staff, to hear some of the jokes? No. Equally, there are female only events I wouldn't want to be at, e.g. Chippendale's.

On the issue of Corbyn sacking Mendelson; does Corbyn like Tony Blair's best buddy?

 

[Captainron]

I've been to a few male only events for charity (boxing, sportsmens dinners etc.). There were women there but they must have been very poor by the looks of things because they couldn't even afford clothes to cover themselves properly when they were serving the drinks.

 

[Hobbit]

I've been to a few male only events for charity (boxing, sportsmens dinners etc.). There were women there but they must have been very poor by the looks of things because they couldn't even afford clothes to cover themselves properly when they were serving the drinks.

Must have been a warm night...

 

[User20205]

I've been to a few male only events for charity (boxing, sportsmens dinners etc.). There were women there but they must have been very poor by the looks of things because they couldn't even afford clothes to cover themselves properly when they were serving the drinks.

Did you suppress the urge to cop a feel? Did you manage not to expose yourself?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I've been to a number of gentlemen's dinners that included comedians that sailed very close to the edge. Would I want a woman there, including waiting on staff, to hear some of the jokes? No. Equally, there are female only events I wouldn't want to be at, e.g. Chippendale's.

On the issue of Corbyn sacking Mendelson; does Corbyn like Tony Blair's best buddy?

It’s not Mandy who was sacked, it’s Lord Mendelson different bloke 👍🏻

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think that that scenario is a wee bit different. If there are no females about that could attend an event then you're not going to cancel it for that reason, that's obviously not the same as positively excluded females from and event.

I might suggest that behaviour, language and talk/discussion that is 'allowed' at single-sex events can perpetuate an attitude in respect of girls and women that is not healthy? I might suggest that for as long as there remain contexts and situations in which it is normal, permissible and even encouraged to talk in 'sexual' or disparaging ways about women then we are always going to have an issue with sexism and sexual harassment? If you wouldn't say it in front of your wife, daughter, girlfriend or female work colleague then why is it OK to say it in an organised event? I might ask.

I am only seeking opinion here.

My starting point was that I disagreed with the Corbyn sacking of Lord Mendelsohn and his describing the President Club event as shocking, disgusting and disgraceful. Now - I'm not so sure.

Though this may simply be a Corbyn ploy to force May's hand over her 'minister in attendance' Nadhim Zahawi.

It was an Infantry Unit and no woman is up to standard....... yet

 

[Hobbit]

It’s not Mandy who was sacked, it’s Lord Mendelson different bloke 

What?! He has a brother??

 

[User20205]

It was an Infantry Unit and no woman is up to standard....... yet

Not true, I’ve seen GI Jane ! & private Benjamin

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not true, I’ve seen GI Jane ! & private Benjamin

Private Benjamin was a Para, they don’t count

 

[Bunkermagnet]

There has been some interviews with some of the "hostesses" from the Presidents dinner event. Having listened to them, who is using who?
The young ladies appear to be going looking for furtherment just as much as the men for entertainment.
Sexual harressment has no place in society but before you castigate male only events, you have to look at all angles, and there is more angles to this story than whats painted by the press.

 

[drdel]

It has now't to do with 'men only' events.

Have you been to Ascot, Cheltenham races? - mixed sexes but there's some pretty near-the-mark behaviour by male and female race-goers!

When booze is involved there will be a few lads and lassies who are badly influenced. I find it hard to believe that the staff at the London venue were first timers and inexperienced in handling loutish clients. Most of the 'west end' hotels have many casual escorts/clients (of both sexes) looking for 'action'!

It is a sad day when the minority ruin any event: whether mixed, male or female.

The UK has extensive laws to protect people from harassment and worse. If anyone at this event was treated badly then the cops are the place to go.

This blanket 'tarring' of any sponsor/attendee is just OTT and minority mob-rule. I'd have hope that the PM and Corbyn would have had more sense than to get embroiled in such an issue.

 

[ADB]

I've been to a number of gentlemen's dinners that included comedians that sailed very close to the edge. Would I want a woman there, including waiting on staff, to hear some of the jokes? No. Equally, there are female only events I wouldn't want to be at, e.g. Chippendale's.

On the issue of Corbyn sacking Mendelson; does Corbyn like Tony Blair's best buddy?

I don't believe the Chippendales is an all-female event

Anyway, that misses the point that the issue is the general objectification of women by men in perceived positions of power. If the waiting staff were male or even male and female at the all-male event, the undercurrent of misogyny may still be there from some, but not driven by the organisors.

 

[patricks148]

i would be a little worried about a guy that went to a Men Only event expecting Totty, surely there are no women?

 

[cookelad]

There has been some interviews with some of the "hostesses" from the Presidents dinner event. Having listened to them, who is using who?
The young ladies appear to be going looking for furtherment just as much as the men for entertainment.
Sexual harressment has no place in society but before you castigate male only events, you have to look at all angles, and there is more angles to this story than whats painted by the press.

Was going to post something along these lines, I’ve been unable to follow exactly what’s gone on, but are the waitresses complaining or is it just the press and people being offended on their behalf? Do they take the job knowing what goes on and accept or possibly even encourage it because they get well paid and to get tips?

As long as the waitresses are “happy” with the situation and are aware going into the evening of what’s likely to happen there isn’t a situation.