Is a hc 20 lady technically better than a hc 20 man?

[iku]

I've noticed that at my club ladies tend to play to their hc better than the male counterparts. We have a couple of hc 12-15 ladies and the quality of their shots is definitely better than mine (hc 16) but they lose something in distance. Also I made my scores compensating my double bogeys with birdies while they seem to be more regular playing for par or bogey max.

 

[Oddsocks]

i would agree totally that a 20hc lady would be a better player than a 20hc male. we have a 9hc lady in a swindle who is now in her late 60's/early 70's, she never misses a fairway...ever, struggles to hit greens in GIR but is always close enough with her chip to make pay on a regular basis. he short game is awesome as is her course management, and the precision in which she plots her way around the course is just awesome.

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

Wouldn't know and not really bothered, I prefer male company on the golf course, whilst I love women dearly I derive no pleasure from playing golf with them. Apologies to lady forum members but thats my view, funnily enough Mrs AAC will NOT take me clothes or shoe shopping for the same reason.

 

[DaveM]

I would have to say yes aswell. It normally only length that stops them getting lower.

 

[SGC001]

20 is 20. The ladies now use the same system as the men, so the handicaps should be reflective of each other. The courtesy shot thing is to do with standard scratch.

I know a lot of ladies seem to hate the congu system (even more than some of the guys on here), they used to have a sytem like best 10 cards 6 home and 4 away or something like that; so it reflected their best golf a bit more than the congu system and encouraged them to play as much as possible to get their handicap down.

As a result quite a few have had their handicaps climb since the switch over.

Anyway, their are many different ways to play to 20, yiou can keep it straight short and consisten making few doubles, spray it and have a few good and bad holes.

Imop the above is the reason as much as anything as to why some people find one course easier than another, it just suits their game more.

 

[chris661]

I would say no. At my place the women play a par 75 where as we men play a par 72 plus the course off the red tee's is a good deal shorter. If the were to play off the whites and still play to a 20 h/c then yes they would be the same.

 

[USER1999]

A few of the ladies I have played with off around 12 handicap lack the range of shots I would associate with a male golfer at this level. Their play is quite one dimensional.

I also have issues with the ladies course. The hazards are set up for the men, off the back tees. They are not really in play for the ladies (green side bunkers excepted). The ladies also always play the same course, casual game or medal. For the guys, the medal course is a heck of a lot longer than the whites, and even more so from the yellows.

For higher handicap ladies it gets difficult. Are they off 20 because they are short off the tee, or because they started playing only yesterday? Why are there fewer single figure lady golfers? They play a shorter course, so it shouldn't be power related, and around the greens the issues are the same for both sexes. a lot I guess comes to taking up the sport late in life, and never having done any exercise or other sports to develop muscle mass, hand eye co-ordination etc. Why do ladies handicaps go to 36, and the men 28? Again, the shorter course, different stroke indexing etc should balance this out, so why have a difference in handicaps?

Generalisations, for sure, but then isn't that what the post asks for?

 

[wull]

i would have to say no aswell.most if not all courses have seperate tee's for the ladies which have a higher par and the yardages are much shorter.

so imho a handicap is a handicap,it reflects the persons ability so if they are both off 20 then to me they are evens stevens.

 

[upanddown]

i would have to say no aswell.most if not all courses have seperate tee's for the ladies which have a higher par and the yardages are much shorter.

so imho a handicap is a handicap,it reflects the persons ability so if they are both off 20 then to me they are evens stevens.

???

 

[Twire]

I would say no. At my place the women play a par 75 where as we men play a par 72 plus the course off the red tee's is a good deal shorter. If the were to play off the whites and still play to a 20 h/c then yes they would be the same.

That's the same as us chris. The men play par 70 SSS71 and the ladies play par 74 SSS74 so that's 5 shots difference plus about 600 yards shorter. The ladies comps the CSS is often 77 and the mens 71.

I can't see how the equivelent handicap women would be a better golfer using that information.

 

[StrangelyBrown]

I'd say no, a 20hc lady isn't better than a 20 hc man. At our place the difference between the reds and whites is 831 yards and the reds is par 73 while the whites is a par 70.

 

[Imurg]

The only time the 2 handicaps would match up is if play was from the same tee over the same course.

It's like almost any sport - you can't really compare the Men's game with the Ladies game - Tennis, Footy, Rugby, etc etc
Generally, and even at the very top level, you can't compare.

 

[Doh]

A couple of the ladies at my club have taken up full membership which allows them to play off the whites. when playing off the Reds their handicaps are 9 and 12 when they play off the whites they get a five shot allowence. so no they dont compare.

 

[MadAdey]

I think it is a very good question. But I would have to say there is a major difference between good lady golfers and good male golfers. When LPGA players have tried having a go at PGA events it has perfectly highlighted the difference. The LPGA player has the same technical abilities as the PGA player but just does not have the power to get the distance. I remember watching Sorenstam playing in one. Taking into account she has previously shot in the 60's on this course she struggled to make par when it was set up at the mens distances. So I would say no a lady golfers handicap is not equivalent to a mens handicap unless she can play to it from the white tees.

 

[coolhand]

1. Females "Technicaly" better than males - never.

2. Females "Practicaly" better than males - always.


My wife with the DVD player =1, me with a sick child =2

 

[MadAdey]

The main thing is men hit the ball further than ladies. Even a man who does not hit the ball very far would still hit it further than most ladies. Why do you think ladies have 400 yard par 5's. At my club I could drive 6 of the par 4's easily from the ladies tee's. Let alone the 5 par 5's they have that would be no more than a drive and short iron. So that's 11 eagle opportunities with only another 7 holes to worry about........oh bugger it, I already have the pink trousers just grow my hair a bit longer and join the ladies section. Always fancied having a plus handicap...........

 

[AmandaJR]

I've noticed that at my club ladies tend to play to their hc better than the male counterparts. We have a couple of hc 12-15 ladies and the quality of their shots is definitely better than mine (hc 16) but they lose something in distance. Also I made my scores compensating my double bogeys with birdies while they seem to be more regular playing for par or bogey max.

I don't think so. I play off 14 and husband David off 16 and apart from a difference in distance I'd say there's not much between us technically. I am more accurate off the tee and my short game is a bit tighter but his mid/long irons are way better. I guess his mistakes are more costly as heading off the short stuff for me just means a more awkward lie yet for him it can be ob or into the next county !!

Mind you - he has played for 15 years more than I have !

 

[Region3]

I'd say relative to their own courses they are the same.
Relative to each other the male golfer is better imo, just purely because they are playing to the same level above par but the male is playing a longer course.

I think I would be at least 5 shots lower player off our ladies tees, par, si etc.

 

[Foxholer]

A definite 'No' for me.

Ladies handicaps are for scores returned playing off the Red Tees. Men's are for playing off White (or Yellow). So only really comparable when playing off their own tees. If men played of Red or Ladies played off White/Yellow then I'd back men to win every time.

Mid to Low handicap ladies tend to be more consistent than equivalent Men though. That's almost certainly they are short hitters, so don't need to be so accurate.

BTW. There is no (longer) such thing as 'Courtesy' shots. Equity shots are a compulsory part of UHS to adjust for the difference between SSS and Par for mixed Strokeplay and Stableford comps

 

[Cmansdad]

I've noticed that at my club ladies tend to play to their hc better than the male counterparts. We have a couple of hc 12-15 ladies and the quality of their shots is definitely better than mine (hc 16) but they lose something in distance. Also I made my scores compensating my double bogeys with birdies while they seem to be more regular playing for par or bogey max.

I think Ladies can be more consistant just because they are playing shorter shots and generally not hitting as hard/swinging so fast.