Increase in Green Fees for the Top 100 Courses

[Deleted member 15717]

Bear in mind, these are peak summer times.

Heading to St. Andrews at the beginning of April ‘Shoulder season’. The old course is £137. Much more palatable.

maybe just play some of the course at different times of the year

 

[Deleted member 23270]

things like myjoys and new clubs have to be sacrificed

How much have you spent on Myjoys?

 

[KenL]

Apologies if this is repetition. I think the Old Course is the exception.

Unless I've got this wrong, It's run by a Trust and is effectively a national monument. It's unlike other private clubs or commercial operations.

It shouldn't price itself out of the reach of ordinary folk. Sad times.

That's how I feel too. Trump can charge whatever he wants but the home of golf should be priced at a level that is affordable for most people.

 

[Shooter McPowick]

Have to question how accurate it is. That says Hindhead hasn’t gone up, and is has…

 

[IanM]

How much have you spent on Myjoys?

Is that custom made FJs or that establishment in Windsor?

 

[Old Skier]

I’d expect change from RND & Trevose

I'd if play yours for £15 as long as a decent meal was involved.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Is that custom made FJs or that establishment in Windsor?

We'll probably never find out as he ignored my question

 

[Jimaroid]

the home of golf should be priced at a level that is affordable for most people.

What if that level isn’t sustainable?

 

[doublebogey7]

That's how I feel too. Trump can charge whatever he wants but the home of golf should be priced at a level that is affordable for most people.

I don't know what price you have in mind but I would say a maximum of £100 to achieve your criteria. Be interesting to know where they should make savings in their costs in order to be able to achieve the figure you have in mind. Remember St Andrews Links is a non-profit making charitable trust.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

I don't know what price you have in mind but I would say a maximum of £100 to achieve your criteria. Be interesting to know where they should make savings in their costs in order to be able to achieve the figure you have in mind. Remember St Andrews Links is a non-profit making charitable trust.

Perhaps balancing out the disparity between visitor rates and those paid by links tickets holders? Sure, locals should get a better deal but I think what they pay compared to everyone else is an absolute steal. £340 for a St Andrews resident and £580 for a NE Fife resident. Even if that was increased to £500 and £1000 it would still be an absolute bargain for the number and quality of courses they have access to to.

 

[sunshine]

Perhaps balancing out the disparity between visitor rates and those paid by links tickets holders? Sure, locals should get a better deal but I think what they pay compared to everyone else is an absolute steal. £340 for a St Andrews resident and £580 for a NE Fife resident. Even if that was increased to £500 and £1000 it would still be an absolute bargain for the number and quality of courses they have access to to.

Couldn’t agree more. As already mentioned, it is effectively a national monument run as a charitable trust. Should be for the benefit of all.

The incredible low prices for locals demonstrate that it’s actually being run by (I assume) local residents for their own benefit. That’s ok for a private club but not for St Andrews. Makes sense for locals to have a discount but the gap is huge.

 

[sunshine]

Well they have got to pay a lot more for the fuel they use in all the green keeper's vehicles and fertiliser prices are on the rise.

Not just fuel. At my club the increase in wages is having a big impact on costs.

 

[sunshine]

Part of the issue is that it's not just 270 quid for the Old Course.....
Its the cost of getting up there, it's the cost of accommodation, it's the cost of playing another course to make it worthwhile..
Before you know it you've shipped a grand on a couple of rounds....and these days that can be very hard to justify.

That’s surely the main driver between the huge disparity in green fees in the table. The more remote courses are cheaper whereas the courses around the M25 can charge an absolute fortune.

 

[IanM]

What if that level isn’t sustainable?

They can't charge less than sustainable, unless it is subsidised from somewhere.

Given the level of visitors, I think they do rather nicely! But, that's a guess, I've never looked at the Links Trust's Accounts.

Anyone know?

 

[Backache]

Couldn’t agree more. As already mentioned, it is effectively a national monument run as a charitable trust. Should be for the benefit of all.

The incredible low prices for locals demonstrate that it’s actually being run by (I assume) local residents for their own benefit. That’s ok for a private club but not for St Andrews. Makes sense for locals to have a discount but the gap is huge.

The original charter was for the people of St Andrews and the updated trust was to maintain the links as a public park and resort for the people of St Andrews and those resorting there.
Clearly the local residents have both historical and more recent benefits intended from the links and trust.

 

[Jimaroid]

Given the level of visitors, I think they do rather nicely! But, that's a guess, I've never looked at the Links Trust's Accounts.

Anyone know?

I look at their accounts every year. Around £30m a year total income back in 2019. 2021 isnt available yet but overall income was down£20m in 2020 due to covid. They make around £12m from visitors green fees. Salary expenditure for over 300 staff is also around £12m.

You can read into that what you will.

 

[KenL]

What if that level isn’t sustainable?

I'm sure it would be. 5 years ago it was £175. Increased £10 per year until the massive price hike this year.

 

[KenL]

I don't know what price you have in mind but I would say a maximum of £100 to achieve your criteria. Be interesting to know where they should make savings in their costs in order to be able to achieve the figure you have in mind. Remember St Andrews Links is a non-profit making charitable trust.

I would say £200 in the summer would be about right.
Perhaps a UK resident rate could be introduced?

 

[doublebogey7]

I would say £200 in the summer would be about right.
Perhaps a UK resident rate could be introduced?

Not sure that would meet your earlier criteria, but they would still need to find a way to reduce costs, so please tell us what they ought to skimp on.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I would say £200 in the summer would be about right.
Perhaps a UK resident rate could be introduced?

Have you managed to look at the accounts to ensure that £200 covers the bills ?

Understand that they made some big losses over the Covid years -

What if £200 greens doesn’t cover their costs ?