I played today and..(Rolling) -originally created by JohnnyDee

[r0wly86]

How does one decide "the two hardest holes"? Is it just by consensus? The handicap index is intended to represent the difficulty of a hole.

Kind of but not absolutely, they try to avoid bunching, so front 9 will usually have SIs that are odd, and back nine evens. So if the 4 hardest holes on the course are on the front 9, they would have SI 1,3,5,&7 even though harder to play that 2,3,&6 on the back nine they would have higher SIs

In this scenario, unless the committee have a rule in place, it was played correctly and the shots don't apply to the match

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It’s always very simple

You get shots on the holes and you the the corresponding SI

So if you have 8 shots you get shots on SI 1-8

If a hole is closed then oh well

No different to potentially losing a match and still have holes where you have a shot

 

[Swango1980]

It’s always very simple

You get shots on the holes and you the the corresponding SI

So if you have 8 shots you get shots on SI 1-8

If a hole is closed then oh well

No different to potentially losing a match and still have holes where you have a shot

Everyone should know that this should not be taken as absolute fact in every scenario. And his last sentence makes no sense at all. It wouldn't matter if you had shots on all the remaining holes, you'd already lost more than you can win back. There is nothing "unfair" about that in terms of shots given.

This question looks to have come up before on Golf Monthly. Steven Rules responded:

"It is up to the Committee to decide.

Will a round consist of 18 holes? Or fewer holes? If 18, then which holes are to be played twice?

It is also up to the Committee to determine where handicap strokes are to be allocated.

That's why they get paid the big money - to make these lofty decisions."

If, as in the scenario I was in, and you don't have a Committee there every morning to decide how to act based on status of course, then everyone I've ever know just keep it simple at treat is as per what Arthur said. However, I wouldn't be surprised if other groups decided to take a proportion of the handicap, and agree what SI 1 - (whatever no. of holes open) would be, before play. In each case, the result is simply written down at the end, so the Committee would never get involved.

 

[rulie]

How does one decide "the two hardest holes"? Is it just by consensus? The handicap index is intended to represent the difficulty of a hole.

Sorry, my original post should be "The handicap index is NOT intended to represent the difficulty of a hole."

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Sorry, my original post should be "The handicap index is NOT intended to represent the difficulty of a hole."

Well SI are generally based on each holes hardest relative to par

The R&A

The R&A seeks to engage in and support activities for the benefit of the sport of golf from The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews.

www.randa.org

 

[Orikoru]

Well SI are generally based on each holes hardest relative to par

The R&A

The R&A seeks to engage in and support activities for the benefit of the sport of golf from The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews.

www.randa.org

Bit of both isn't it? The lower numbers tend to go to more difficult holes, just not necessarily in the correct order since they split the odds and evens over each nine, and try not to have SI1 on the 1st or 18th and stuff like that. But generally the SI 1, 2 and 3 will be difficult holes.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Bit of both isn't it? The lower numbers tend to go to more difficult holes, just not necessarily in the correct order since they split the odds and evens over each nine, and try not to have SI1 on the 1st or 18th and stuff like that. But generally the SI 1, 2 and 3 will be difficult holes.

Golf courses are generally designed with a gentle start then gets harder the drops down a little and then again on the back 9

Hence why SI fit in with that

There can also be two sets of SI - one for matchplay to help a match flow and ensure a balance with shots given

And also SI for stroke play as well

it’s always telling that when clubs assess SI regularly that they look at the average scores players have made of a defined period

 

[wjemather]

Everyone should know that this should not be taken as absolute fact in every scenario. And his last sentence makes no sense at all. It wouldn't matter if you had shots on all the remaining holes, you'd already lost more than you can win back. There is nothing "unfair" about that in terms of shots given.

This question looks to have come up before on Golf Monthly. Steven Rules responded:

"It is up to the Committee to decide.

Will a round consist of 18 holes? Or fewer holes? If 18, then which holes are to be played twice?

It is also up to the Committee to determine where handicap strokes are to be allocated.

That's why they get paid the big money - to make these lofty decisions."

If, as in the scenario I was in, and you don't have a Committee there every morning to decide how to act based on status of course, then everyone I've ever know just keep it simple at treat is as per what Arthur said. However, I wouldn't be surprised if other groups decided to take a proportion of the handicap, and agree what SI 1 - (whatever no. of holes open) would be, before play. In each case, the result is simply written down at the end, so the Committee would never get involved.

I wish this bit in bold was true! (The rest is accurate though.)

If the terms of competition don't cover a situation, the committee (or their designated representative - commonly the pro shop) need to make a decision. Players should not just make it up themselves.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

We were talking about match play, I thought. Obviously if you're all playing stroke play, everyone loses a shot on the same hole so whatever, who cares.

Bit of crossed wires there I guess, I assumed strokeplay/Stableford.

But if we’re talking match play it’s very rare I’m the one receiving shots. So if I’m
Giving shots then I don’t see how you can play a competitive match play in a reduced course where shot holes are closed, purely because you can’t just decide to move the shots onto other holes as that then disadvantages the lower player. IMO it’s just not sensible to play anything other than 9 or 18 holes in those instances.

 

[Voyager EMH]

If it is matchplay, then it is a non-issue.

Omitted holes are merely treated as halved with all players having notionally played according to "shots-given" playing handicaps for the matchplay format.
Effectively - just ignore the omitted holes.

That's the only way I've ever experienced it.
Never actually occurred to me until today that this needed an explanation.

Played yesterday and our 12th and 13th were closed. Two vs two betterball matchplay and the issue of the closed holes was not even spoken about.

 

[Crazyface]

I joined a roll up, "kitty club", yesterday. Got put out in the second group, three nice fellas. Out drove all three by at least 80 yards. New irons were amazing. Putter was abysmal. Managed a paltry 28 points off 11 HC. They docked me 4. Oddly most had lost shots. And still scored well.One had lost 5 and still came in with 41pts. I never said anything, but another mate at the club told me about them, and that's exactly why he never joins them.

 

[Swango1980]

I joined a roll up, "kitty club", yesterday. Got put out in the second group, three nice fellas. Out drove all three by at least 80 yards. New irons were amazing. Putter was abysmal. Managed a paltry 28 points off 11 HC. They docked me 4. Oddly most had lost shots. And still scored well.One had lost 5 and still came in with 41pts. I never said anything, but another mate at the club told me about them, and that's exactly why he never joins them.

You scored 28 points and they took 4 of your handicap!?

Logic?

 

[harpo_72]

Played in the weekly club stableford today. Shot a 78, 35 points - 2 blobs and 37 putts … think I need to spend some time on the putting green. But last 8 holes were 1 over gross and some very short birdie putts were missed.

Driver had the pro launch blue 45L shaft in. I was using the Wilson 2025 Triad. Spin was very high, the driver launch had to be controlled or it would balloon up.. back spin on all greens ranging from 2ft to 6ft .. even open faced 56 degree 50yard chops were spinning backwards ( I love that for me I don’t care about the results I just love seeing the ball spin backwards) ..

Might have an impact on my handicap as I was 8th out of 35 .. but the weather was glorious here which is what we needed for sanity’s sake!!

 

[Imurg]

Still waiting for a complete round this year....
We were going to,out a card in too...
18th tee closed due to turfing work halfway down...tee off 14p yards from the green kn a par 5....
Didn't fancy the walk to play half a hole so skipped 17 and 18....
Another 2 on the 8th - nice
The rest really wasn't very good......
West Berkshire with the Society on Friday...that will be the first full 18 of the year...

 

[HampshireHog]

Sun was out so took a long lunch and squeezed 9 holes in.

21 stableford pts was good enough to win our 6’s match by 8pts.

 

[Billysboots]

First 9 hole afternoon get together of the year with mates today. Course drying out nicely and I struck it really well again. Just the one dropped shot and eight steady pars, albeit from the yellows.

Really pleased with my start to the year.

 

[Hacky]

Winter Foursomes semi final played in glorious sunshine and freshly cut greens (which for time of the year are in superb condition). We were giving our opponents 6 shots; we played well and they had a bit of a bad day, so we ended winning comfortably 6 & 5.

Playing a new Ping driver and struggled to find the centre of the face but most shots found the fairway, though were short of where I’d like to have been. My short game and putting was really good though.

Ive only been playing for four years and it’s my first foray into knockout comps.

 

[Crazyface]

You scored 28 points and they took 4 of your handicap!?

Logic?

Nooooo. They docked me 4 BEFORE we went out. I think due to the fact I don't usually play with thme and a few / all have already lost shots so to turn up and play off my full h/C would have given me a serious advantange.....in theory. As I said, one bloke already had been docked 5 shots and still came in with 41pts!

 

[Swango1980]

Nooooo. They docked me 4 BEFORE we went out. I think due to the fact I don't usually play with thme and a few / all have already lost shots so to turn up and play off my full h/C would have given me a serious advantange.....in theory. As I said, one bloke already had been docked 5 shots and still came in with 41pts!

I'd be keeping an eye on that guys scores relative to his WHS handicap

 

[Arthur Wedge]

2 under today for 37 points

But had the coldest putter in the world , missed at least 10 birdie putts from very makeable range