Old Skier
Tour Winner
They have but if the information is withheld/not known not sure what else they can do.
how would you deal with a handicap manipulator??
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They have but if the information is withheld/not known not sure what else they can do.
mikejohnchapman
Challenge Tour Pro
Well going forward that won't be a problem as WHS get rid of qualifying scores.
how is the new system going to make any difference, people like this will still do the same and i some cases make it worse as they will be able to go up 3 shots in one go
Swango1980
Well-known member
What? Not sure how you figure that out?
rulefan
Tour Winner
If your index is based on your best scores, a few very poor scores are unlikely to make a difference.
DickInShorts
Newbie
Not all CONGU rules have been adopted by all nations
Scotland doesn’t have the exceptional scoring handicap cut rule. There may be other examples I’m not aware of
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Maybe a call to the R+A and see what they suggest?
rulefan
Tour Winner
The R&A do not have anything to do with handicaps or their administration. Even under WHS, the administration responsibility lies with the 'Authorised Association'.
The first port of call for a club is the county union or association. Ultimately the national authority.
rosecott
Money List Winner
I didn't say they were, I was talking about the specific rule quoted. The CONGU manual shows quite clearly where there are specific national differences.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I reckon they'd suggest you have the wrong number
(as rulefan said)
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
I don’t think you can do anything ultimately, as County will juts look at his scores and agree he’s playing to his handicap. Most powerful way is for members to refuse to play with him, or refuse to enter comps he has entered.
Unless he has the skin of a rhino, he will soon get the message and play fair or leave
Unless he has the skin of a rhino, he will soon get the message and play fair or leave
rulefan
Tour Winner
We do a lot more than that.
rksquire
Head Pro
Just can't imagine anyone having the time or inclination to do this for such an extended period of time (although from this it clearly happens!). Going from (say) 5.4 to (say) 13.5 would take 81 rounds - that's 81 rounds where a '5' handicapper has deliberately played badly enough - fine if you're within one or two shots maybe of your real handicap, but as your handicap moves so far away, surely you'd end up just disliking golf - you're just turning up to play bad golf? And then, when you're at 14, you continue to play qualifiers deliberately below your real standard to maintain 14, and then just turn it on the occasional scramble / matchplay / winter tourny. It sounds almost as much hard work and discipline as trying to play well as bad!
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
It is not 81 rounds if it is done over a number of years he would appear on the annual review as needing an increase.
However I would question the motivation If it was 80 rounds where I play that is £240 in lost entry fees.
larmen
Head Pro
But isn't it easier to purge the good scores? Currently in 20 qualifying rounds of golf you can gain 2 strokes (in +0.1 increments), but with teh new rules you can hand in 20 cards signed by your mate and all good scores are forgotten. You can gain a 'fresh' handicap as bas as you like in a month.
woofers
Medal Winner
You could, but at the risk of turning this into a WHS debate / thread, the WHS has some checks and balances called ‘Hard’ and ‘Soft’ caps which will restrict the number of shots a handicap can move by.
Crazyface
Tour Winner
If they have nowt to do with H/c why are they changing how h/C are monitored, courses rated, handicaps adjusted up to the new levels, brand new rules introduced, blah de blah. They are involved. They cannot introduce these new measures then say ,,,,ahah it's nowt to do with us how you muppets sort this mess we have created out.
rulefan
Tour Winner
The R&A and USGA together with five major handicapping authorities around the world decided it would be a good idea to have a common handicap system. The R&A was the only body that was not responsible for handicapping somewhere in the world.
This joint organisation wrote a new system and this was published under the copyright of the USGA and R&A. This seemed sensible as the Rules of Golf were also published and copyrighted by those bodies. It was agreed by all concerned that the responsibility for managing the system would be taken on by Authorised Associations (in effect the existing handicap authorities). They are entities that are authorised, in accordance with the structure set out by the R&A and the USGA to implement and administer the Rules of Handicapping within its jurisdiction. Such an entity must be a multi-national, national or regional association, federation or union. The R&A has not applied to be an Authorised Association.
In GB & Ireland, the Authorised Association is CONGU. CONGU has delegated the implementation and day to day management to the constituent national authorities that comprise CONGU. In the case of your club, that is England Golf.
CONGU (ie England Golf et al) decided to adopt the WHS and everything that went with it. Not a surprise, as CONGU were joint sponsors of the proposal and joint creators of the system.
Your club is perfectly entitled to opt out of the WHS as it is to opt out of the CONGU system.
"why are they changing how h/C are monitored, courses rated, handicaps adjusted up to the new levels, brand new rules introduced, blah de blah."
They are not. CONGU via England Golf and your club are.
Any mess in England (if there is one) is the responsibility of England Golf and the club or clubs and in terms of the dissemination of education - COVID19.
Incidentally, do you know what preparations your club has made or is making?
However, a few hundred clubs did not even bother to send a representative to the original presentations.
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