How Accurate is it really?

[griffgolf]

It would obviously be nice to be custom fitted using Pro V1x on a beautifully prepared surface, but that objection to conditions and equipment at least in part misses the point.

A lot of the analysis during custom fitting is based on how well you deliver the club to the ball, and if the machine determines you have a very slow clubhead speed, steep angle of attack and leave the face wide open, then it doesn't really matter if you were aiming at a Brussels sprout sitting on a pice of astroturf or a Pro V1x on a tee at Augusta National - you now know a lot more about what is suitable than you did before.

But if you don't think it is a good idea, don't do it. Wander into AG and have the guy look at you and declare "you look like a regular flex, one degree flat, mate". I bet they will have whatever he thinks is most suitable in stock. Or should that be the other way round?

So are you saying that from impact through the ball onto the turf and type of ball has no effect what so ever on custom fitting readings?

 

[Tommo21]

Alex,

In simple terms please tell me how a set of custom fitting results taken from hitting range balls off a synthetic surface can produce the exact same custom fitting results as hitting your regular golf ball off grass?

If you can do this I will gladly pass it on.

Only a fool would get fitted with range balls. Only a plonker of a pro would use range balls when fitting. Add the two together and you got this.

 

[griffgolf]

Alex,

In simple terms please tell me how a set of custom fitting results taken from hitting range balls off a synthetic surface can produce the exact same custom fitting results as hitting your regular golf ball off grass?

If you can do this I will gladly pass it on.

Only a fool would get fitted with range balls. Only a plonker of a pro would use range balls when fitting. Add the two together and you got this.

Bet there is a lot of people wondering about that!

 

[Alex1975]

Alex,

In simple terms please tell me how a set of custom fitting results taken from hitting range balls off a synthetic surface can produce the exact same custom fitting results as hitting your regular golf ball off grass?

If you can do this I will gladly pass it on.

The post was over after Ethan posted, I think he was pretty clear. What I dont get is the agro post, like you have some really critical point and stamp your feet when its not replied to in your time frame.


I know what I think, I tried to have you see it but you dont want to, you want people to just agree with you, kinda making the forum pointless for you.

 

[griffgolf]

Ethan gave his view.

You gave your view but I see you did not answer my direct question to you.

Of course I have my view that is why we have a forum or should I just agree with what you think ?

 

[Ethan]

Alex,

In simple terms please tell me how a set of custom fitting results taken from hitting range balls off a synthetic surface can produce the exact same custom fitting results as hitting your regular golf ball off grass?

If you can do this I will gladly pass it on.

Let me have a go. First, most decent places don't use range balls (assumed to mean yellow soapy prices of sponge, although any balls used on a range are technically 'range balls', even Pro V1s on a posh range). Second, those which do may have software which adjusts the readings to that for a premium ball. Third, there are range balls and range balls. Some range balls are similar to midprice harder balls used by a lot of golfers. Not all people who go to custom fitting use Pro V1s or Taylor Made Pentas.

As for "exactly the same", anyone who gathers scientific data knows that no two repeats of an event ever produce exactly the same data. Was that a trick question?

 

[Ethan]

It would obviously be nice to be custom fitted using Pro V1x on a beautifully prepared surface, but that objection to conditions and equipment at least in part misses the point.

A lot of the analysis during custom fitting is based on how well you deliver the club to the ball, and if the machine determines you have a very slow clubhead speed, steep angle of attack and leave the face wide open, then it doesn't really matter if you were aiming at a Brussels sprout sitting on a pice of astroturf or a Pro V1x on a tee at Augusta National - you now know a lot more about what is suitable than you did before.

But if you don't think it is a good idea, don't do it. Wander into AG and have the guy look at you and declare "you look like a regular flex, one degree flat, mate". I bet they will have whatever he thinks is most suitable in stock. Or should that be the other way round?

So are you saying that from impact through the ball onto the turf and type of ball has no effect what so ever on custom fitting readings?

Are you speaking about one type of turf here - lush late season parkland grass, springy firm links turf, sandy heathland, private course manicured, municipal slightly hairier ground, or all of the above.

I am fairly certain that different types of decent quality synthetic turf play similarly to some or other of those. It would obviously not be possible for any synthetic turf to play similar to all the variations of real grass/turf at once though, given the huge differences between different varieties.

 

[USER1999]

This is all tosh.

I went to Titleist. I was given a choice of ProV1 or ProV1x, but could have had nxt if I'd wanted. I didn't, as I play ProV1.

90% of the hitting was off an impact board anyway. Grass, mats, when you bung a bit of grp down it makes no odds.

Heck, you are supposed to hit ball then turf. What happens after impact is totally irrelevant.

 

[griffgolf]

This is all tosh.

I went to Titleist. I was given a choice of ProV1 or ProV1x, but could have had nxt if I'd wanted. I didn't, as I play ProV1.

90% of the hitting was off an impact board anyway. Grass, mats, when you bung a bit of grp down it makes no odds.

Heck, you are supposed to hit ball then turf. What happens after impact is totally irrelevant.

I accept what you are saying.

But as per the thread would your results been the exact same if you hit off grass...do you know for certain?

 

[griffgolf]

Alex,

In simple terms please tell me how a set of custom fitting results taken from hitting range balls off a synthetic surface can produce the exact same custom fitting results as hitting your regular golf ball off grass?

If you can do this I will gladly pass it on.

Let me have a go. First, most decent places don't use range balls (assumed to mean yellow soapy prices of sponge, although any balls used on a range are technically 'range balls', even Pro V1s on a posh range). Second, those which do may have software which adjusts the readings to that for a premium ball. Third, there are range balls and range balls. Some range balls are similar to midprice harder balls used by a lot of golfers. Not all people who go to custom fitting use Pro V1s or Taylor Made Pentas.

As for "exactly the same", anyone who gathers scientific data knows that no two repeats of an event ever produce exactly the same data. Was that a trick question?

I was trying to say that would the end result of the custom fitting on a synthetic surface be exactly the same as the custom fitting result on a grass surface?

I think most people will know what I am asking with this thread.

 

[USER1999]

Ball, then turf.

You can play it off meringue, makes no differnece.

Do I want the lie angle determined by a divot shape?

If you can't hit off mats, it's because you're hitting it fat.

 

[JustOne]

Heck, you are supposed to hit ball then turf. What happens after impact is totally irrelevant.

I agree. It's splitting hairs to a degree anyway unless you always play a certain type of ball. No point in hitting a ProV to determine your spin rate then tee'ing up a TopFlite.
There is enough info to be gained from a normal fitting, even if the rest is guesswork.

 

[griffgolf]

Very very interesting responses to this thread with pros and cons.

What is the best advice and information given about you for your £500 upwards for custom fitting results on a synthetic surface or a Grass surface.

You decide

 

[chris661]

Very very interesting responses to this thread with pros and cons.

What is the best advice and information given about you for your £500 upwards for custom fitting results on a synthetic surface or a Grass surface.

You decide

Who the fack would pay 500 notes for a custom fitting? As Murph says ball then turf it does not matter a toss what you hit off as most of them will be off an impact board anyway.

 

[griffgolf]

Very very interesting responses to this thread with pros and cons.

What is the best advice and information given about you for your £500 upwards for custom fitting results on a synthetic surface or a Grass surface.

You decide

Who the fack would pay 500 notes for a custom fitting? As Murph says ball then turf it does not matter a toss what you hit off as most of them will be off an impact board anyway.

I thought it was quite obvious that the £500 includes the clubs purchased from the fitting results

 

[chris661]

Well it doesnt.

If you are not happy about custom fitting dont do it, just buy standard everything and good luck.

 

[surefire]

Who the fack would pay 500 notes for a custom fitting? As Murph says ball then turf it does not matter a toss what you hit off as most of them will be off an impact board anyway.

In theory it does not matter because of the ball then turf impact. In practice, most people are likely to subconciously adjust slightly.

Whilst I still think fitting can be a worthwhile exercise, there is no doubt that Griffs original point has some validity.

 

[Region3]

I think the only difference mats make is they stop you fatting the ball completely.
As others have said, the ball should have gone by the time the club hits the ground with any significant force.