bobmac
Major Champion
I dont know how old your dad is and I only said
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They may have been different 50 years ago but that's before my time
Have you used a 1 iron?
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I dont know how old your dad is and I only said
They may have been different 50 years ago but that's before my time
I dont know how old your dad is and I only said
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They may have been different 50 years ago but that's before my time
The duration of TRADITION and how it refers to in the context of TRADITIONAL LOFTS can only cover the number of years a player has been playing golf?
So a golfer who has 10 years experience says traditionally which means based on clubs from 2006 whereas someone in their late 60s can say traditionally and cite lofts from the 1950s?
TRADITIONALLY i.e. when golf clubs became 3 to 9 plus pw the 3 iron was 24 degrees, over time it has become less, you think 21degrees is normal and no doubt in 10 years someone will say well 20 degrees is normal.. its a slow creep and its why 1 and 2 irons disappeared
bobmac
Major Champion
I'm not going to argue with you about how old your dad is.
They are not the same..
Its a forum illness people can never just say. .actually i was wrong.. well you are wrong
Its a forum illness people can never just say. .actually i was wrong.. well you are wrong
User20205
Money List Winner
No strictly, lofts have been cranked down. A 3 iron loft is now a 2 iron loft, but they're not the same club. A cavity backed, hollow mp h5 is easier to hit than a bladed predecessor, the launch dynamics are different and this is different again when you factor in hybrids.
It's also been driven by the opportunity, desire, marketing arround carrying more wedges.
It's too simplistic to say 1&2 irons became less popular because of loft reduction. There are many more options now, and only 14 slots in a bag.
bobmac
Major Champion
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
One irons are for whimps.....let's talk brassies.
We were not discussing people buying reasons or options, the fact is the lofts have reduced, anyone hoping to say otherwise is simply wrong, it is not surprise the guy simply said HE WAS OUT, he probably knows he is wrong now but rather than say yes lofts have dropped he acts like a kid might and storms off..
There have literally been hundreds of articles written about this, its hardly a secret except to one apparently.
Now people may not buy them because there are better options, sure i agree with that too but the fact is you have nowhere to go if you are selling 19 degree 3 irons, golfers would end up being sold clubs they cannot hit which is why the clubs in our bags have evolved it is why sets often start at a 4 or even 5 iron now too. The golf business does well as they sell you a set with less clubs then sell you options to buy Gap wedges which are basically just the lofts you traditionally would have got in a complete set. Our clubs are longer than the next companies equals declining lofts, longer shafts, gap wedges sold for extra cash.
If this is news to someone who has 17,000 posts on a forum, i suspect he likes to type v read and learn
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User20205
Money List Winner
You certainly have a way of brightening up a rainy Saturday!!
Have lofts changed? Static yes, dynamic maybe? Does a bladed 3 iron launch any differently from a CB 2 iron at around the same static loft.
Lofts have changed. Well done, gold star :thup: but have they really changed.
I don't know, I no expert. But I do love a modern 2 iron, whoops 3 iron. Or is it a 2 iron
had a go with one of the MPH5 1 irons but looked way too chunky to my eye.
I do how ever know at least 3 guys that still use a 1 iron, all are low Cat1 players and none carry a 3 wood. A a callaway and two pings, one is a very strange beast, copper head with a graphite shaft and a florescent lime green grip
I do how ever know at least 3 guys that still use a 1 iron, all are low Cat1 players and none carry a 3 wood. A a callaway and two pings, one is a very strange beast, copper head with a graphite shaft and a florescent lime green grip
There has definitely been a trend of delofting iron clubs and fitting longer shafts over the last 25 years or so, to give an illusion of more length. A modern PW now has almost exactly the same loft and shaft length as an old time 8-iron and hits the ball about the same distance. Cavity backs make clubs slightly more forgiving of off centre hits, but do not change the basic physics. In real terms there have been marginal gains in distance for a given loft and shaft length, but this is more down to shaft technology and hot faces. Game improvement clubs are often fitted with low kickpoint shafts to help hackers get the ball into the air more easily, and a low centre of gravity may also help fractionally as well. A realistic set of irons for an average golfer is now 5-PW plus 3 wedges, rather than the traditional 3-PW plus a SW! Forget about 1 and 2 irons unless you are a pro! :mmm:
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ScienceBoy
Money List Winner
They may have been different 50 years ago but that's before my time
So you retired before you took up golf?
I've had several over the years. At times (when I was much younger and much better) it was a usual inclusion in the bag at times. However for most of the time it caused as many issues as it helped
dan2844
Assistant Pro
Well back on topic, I had a shot with it today, it's damn hard. I only played the 1 shot to give it a bash but I'll be having a go with it at the range tomorrow for sure.
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
I have a ping zing 2 1 iron, I used it off the tee, back in the day. It was great on a windy day. Not sure if I would now though!
