Handicap Adjustment... what would you expect a handicap secretary to do (if anything)

[Grant85]

CONGU

26.2 When restoring a handicap which has been lost or suspended for more than twelve months the Handicap Committee, in addition to proceeding as required by Clause 16, must give due and full consideration to the handicap the player last held.

16.1 A handicap can be allotted only to a Member of an Affiliated Club after full consideration of his previous playing history, including any handicap held previously at any other club or under another handicap system

I guess there's a bit of wriggle room and they didn't have to effectively reinstate my 19, and then adjust with most recent 54 holes.

 

[rulefan]

I suspect the handicap sec couldn't be bothered to it by the book. He probably just stuck 24 in as general play. It may be interesting to look at your own record on the SG system.

 

[Colin L]

You can “reinstate” your handicap

If you don’t play comp golf for 12 months then your handicap just becomes “non competitive” - you then need to enter three rounds or 54 hole combinations for the handicap to regain its “competitive” status

you don’t get to put three cards in and get a brand new handicap -

Your three cards should have just been 3 .1’s added to your handicap

Your HC section did your handicap wrong

See post #8.

 

[Colin L]

CONGU

26.2 When restoring a handicap which has been lost or suspended for more than twelve months the Handicap Committee, in addition to proceeding as required by Clause 16, must give due and full consideration to the handicap the player last held.

16.1 A handicap can be allotted only to a Member of an Affiliated Club after full consideration of his previous playing history, including any handicap held previously at any other club or under another handicap system

I understood that the OP had remained with the same club. If so, 26.2 doesn't apply because you only lose your handicap when you leave your club

 

[rulefan]

His saying 'I did advise the club of my most recent handicap, ...' threw me. Why would his 'current' club know that? It would be in their system.

His record should showing those scores as supplementaries with automatic 0.1s. Something very iffy here.

 

[Colin L]

His saying 'I did advise the club of my most recent handicap, ...' threw me. Why would his 'current' club know that? It would be in their system.

His record should showing those scores as supplementaries with automatic 0.1s. Something very iffy here.

Indeed. Perhaps Grant can clarify whether he remained with the same club or had changed clubs.

 

[Grant85]

I did change clubs.

 

[Colin L]

I did change clubs.

A supplementary question then. Were there more than 12 months between leaving the one and joining the other?

 

[Grant85]

A supplementary question then. Were there more than 12 months between leaving the one and joining the other?

Yes. End of 2016 season till Sept 2018.

 

[rulefan]

Yes. End of 2016 season till Sept 2018.

Did you tell your new club about your previous playing record and provide your original SG ID ?

 

[Grant85]

Did you tell your new club about your previous playing record and provide your original SG ID ?

I told them about my previous record. Indeed they asked in membership form.

Had problems with HDiD and have never been able to transfer records effectively from one club to the next. I assume I did not have an ID number to provide them, but they certainly didn't ask me for that level of detail.

 

[jim8flog]

I told them about my previous record. Indeed they asked in membership form.

Had problems with HDiD and have never been able to transfer records effectively from one club to the next. I assume I did not have an ID number to provide them, but they certainly didn't ask me for that level of detail.

The trouble with HDID is that it is not the official keeper of your handicap record. The appropriate golf Union is.
Every body who plays at an affiliated club will have a CDH number.

 

[rulefan]

I told them about my previous record. Indeed they asked in membership form.

Had problems with HDiD and have never been able to transfer records effectively from one club to the next. I assume I did not have an ID number to provide them, but they certainly didn't ask me for that level of detail.

You will have had a Scottish Golf ID which is issued when you first get a handicap. I'm not sure about Scotland but in England the CDH ID stays with you for life. It should be the first thing a handicap checks for when taking on a new member. Your h'cap sec can give you yours and can check if you have an earlier one.

I suggest you register with SG.
See the last twi items here https://www.scottishgolf.org/players/club-members/handicapping/intro-to-handicapping/

and here https://www.scottishgolf.org/players/club-members/scottish-golf-card/

HDID is simply a slave system of the software some clubs use (ClubV1 in your case), other clubs may well use other systems.

 

[2blue]

I told them about my previous record. Indeed they asked in membership form.

Had problems with HDiD and have never been able to transfer records effectively from one club to the next. I assume I did not have an ID number to provide them, but they certainly didn't ask me for that level of detail.

Beginning to sound like you may now have 2 CDH's...... gonna be a bit of an issue when moving to WHS next year.

 

[Swango1980]

For a handicap secretary, using Club V1, they can generally find a players CDH number when they come from another club, so long as they have the players name and previous club. However, this is not often the case when the players has left the club and not been a member anywhere for a while. At that point the handicap secretary would need to contact that club directly to see if they have any records at the club itself. Failing that, I've had to contact England Golf who have been able to give me the CDH. They were very helpful, but that would be very last resort. There didn't appear to be a way I could view the full CDH system, as England Golf did, so I could do that search myself.

 

[Swango1980]

Beginning to sound like you may now have 2 CDH's...... gonna be a bit of an issue when moving to WHS next year.

Probably, but it will be far from uncommon. There are probably hundreds of golfers who move around clubs, and don't even let their new club know they were a member somewhere else previously. I bet there are quite a few golfers out there who may have 2 or 3 CDH numbers.

 

[2blue]

For a handicap secretary, using Club V1, they can generally find a players CDH number when they come from another club, so long as they have the players name and previous club. However, this is not often the case when the players has left the club and not been a member anywhere for a while. At that point the handicap secretary would need to contact that club directly to see if they have any records at the club itself. Failing that, I've had to contact England Golf who have been able to give me the CDH. They were very helpful, but that would be very last resort. There didn't appear to be a way I could view the full CDH system, as England Golf did, so I could do that search myself.

As a member of our Club's H/cap team I routinely search our new members on the CDH Data base. Many who've had H/caps previously don't even know about CDH or have simply neglected to advise of previous Club memberships by simply searching under their name & a series of various H/caps. Produces results that are country wide but this can be followed up with a few direct questions. Has worked well for us with those who are less than transparent about their previous playing history.

Probably, but it will be far from uncommon. There are probably hundreds of golfers who move around clubs, and don't even let their new club know they were a member somewhere else previously. I bet there are quite a few golfers out there who may have 2 or 3 CDH numbers.

Yes, there are indeed especially with the current trend for 'golfing nomads', hence the need to ask the right questions & search the CDH data-base as well as it being each Club's responsibility to routinely 'Cleanse their CDH Data-base'

 

[rulefan]

Probably, but it will be far from uncommon. There are probably hundreds of golfers who move around clubs, and don't even let their new club know they were a member somewhere else previously. I bet there are quite a few golfers out there who may have 2 or 3 CDH numbers.

This is the biggest issue we have. We have even had one player with multiple records on multiple clubs' files.
All clubs have been advised to 'Cleanse' their files and to match their club records with the CDH. I'm pretty sure they will be getting messages re 'doubtful' ones from their national authorities during the coming months.

 

[duncan mackie]

This is the biggest issue we have. We have even had one player with multiple records on multiple clubs' files.
All clubs have been advised to 'Cleanse' their files and to match their club records with the CDH. I'm pretty sure they will be getting messages re 'doubtful' ones from their national authorities during the coming months.

Yes, and I'm looking forward to how players with both CONGU and EGA (or others) handicaps are going to be handled at the change over!

 

[woofers]

AT LEAST!!. If you can play to your H/cap on 10 out 11 occasions then you are on the wrong H/cap. Should only be doing that 33% of the time. .

Says who ?

What constitutes “playing to your handicap” ? Does it include returning a score in the buffer zone ?

Are you suggesting that, at the end of 10 qualifying rounds of golf, a handicap should have gone up 0.7 (less any adjustments for playing better than handicap in any of the other 3 rounds).
Dangerous statement in my opinion.