Hahahahahahaha - Aimpoint

[BristolMike]

A 2 way street really. You practise your reading skills that you obtain from the AP course, get your Aimpoint thru your valuation of slope, you have your point that you aim at and all that's required is good stroke and speed. So it's a bit of both really.

Generally though wouldn't you think as you put more practice in you read greens better? I know I do. The more you put in, the better everything becomes.

Im not slating the system, I just don't really see how it really helps. i could maybe understand it for a new player, but experienced players have had years of experience reading greens.

 

[Three]

all that's required is good stroke and speed.

This is the bit they seem far too glib about.
"Just " get the speed???

They brush over too many issues, grain, wind and judging the speed being the biggest.
There's way too many variables.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

This is the bit they seem far too glib about.
"Just " get the speed???

They brush over too many issues, grain, wind and judging the speed being the biggest.
There's way too many variables.

How does the system work on the likes of Bermuda greens where the pace can vary depending which direction you are putting?

 

[Three]

how does the system work on the likes of bermuda greens where the pace can vary depending which direction you are putting?

EXACTLY!!!

Not just pace, but direction also. Flat putts break from the side to side if you are going sideways across the grain.

 

[Papas1982]

I was merely pointing out that imo I wasn't being condescending but to prove a point that if needed to I can be or mores the point sarcastic then condescending, I'm far from that.
I'm the first to help anyone who wants to take the time to speak one on one if they are genuinely interested to know more and have done in the past with one or two from here. But there are a lot of sceptics that just want to chime in and discredit it with no intention to want to understand it and have a go at those who do use it. So to cypher the cynics out and answer the genuine becomes impossible. There's a whole host of threads I don't comment on because it either doesn't interest me, or I'm not informed on the subject so I'm not going to post, but I suppose you'll always get those who will to stir it up instead.

If you took my initial post personally I apologise as it wasn't aimed at yourself but what you put saying about wonderful putting technique has nothing to do with Aimpoint. AP reading or normal reading is a very small cog that's needed with a bunch of other parts that's needed to get the ball into the hole. Without one, you'll miss. Simple as that.

I think we both probably misinterpreted one another's main points at some point. As I don't think either of us intended to go on a point scoring exercise.

At least we didn't resort to name calling lol

 

[MendieGK]

I've purposely stayed out of this thread because frankly I think it's absurd that people with so little knowledge of aimpoint seem to care so much about it. rather than sitting here slagging off a method you know little about why not go and work on your games (not putting as you obviously hole everything)?

I haven't watched Homers video (and won't) but all i will say is, to use aimpoint properly it takes practice, you need to Calibrate for yourself and practice it. I have a very good understanding of what a 1% slope is compared to a 2% as I work on it at home. Do I make every putt? Absolutely not. At 8ft, the tour average is less than 50%!!

it costs £100 to do the course. Big deal, most of you have lessons, then don't actually do what your told to do or work on it enough to ingrain it.

Gordon started the thread, and I know he 100% uses his feet to feel the read, so effectively he is using 50%+ of what aimpoint teaches you to do. Aimpoint just employs a slightly more scientific approach.

Im sure some of you on here use 'plumb-bobbing' to help read greens. Why is that any different? It's a method someone created and some people thing it helps them. I don't see any threads about that (even though is definitely doesn't work 😉)

 

[MendieGK]

It's also ironic that just as an aimpoint thread 'goes off'. It's no1 user is holing the earth and leading the players

 

[3565]

Generally though wouldn't you think as you put more practice in you read greens better? I know I do. The more you put in, the better everything becomes.

Im not slating the system, I just don't really see how it really helps. i could maybe understand it for a new player, but experienced players have had years of experience reading greens.

Like most things in golf the more you practise the better you get. I've shown players of all ages at my club and they have all found it bizarre when they've gone through the process and The amount of times they've said it's never that much break then holed it.

I've played golf for 40 years but the last 5 have been an eye opener since doing it. I won't go back to a normal read unless I'm forced to.

 

[chrisd]

I've purposely stayed out of this thread because frankly I think it's absurd that people with so little knowledge of aimpoint seem to care so much about it. rather than sitting here slagging off a method you know little about why not go and work on your games (not putting as you obviously hole everything)?

I haven't watched Homers video (and won't) but all i will say is, to use aimpoint properly it takes practice, you need to Calibrate for yourself and practice it. I have a very good understanding of what a 1% slope is compared to a 2% as I work on it at home. Do I make every putt? Absolutely not. At 8ft, the tour average is less than 50%!!

it costs £100 to do the course. Big deal, most of you have lessons, then don't actually do what your told to do or work on it enough to ingrain it.

Gordon started the thread, and I know he 100% uses his feet to feel the read, so effectively he is using 50%+ of what aimpoint teaches you to do. Aimpoint just employs a slightly more scientific approach.

Im sure some of you on here use 'plumb-bobbing' to help read greens. Why is that any different? It's a method someone created and some people thing it helps them. I don't see any threads about that (even though is definitely doesn't work 😉)

This for me too ^^^^^

 

[Khamelion]

Generally though wouldn't you think as you put more practice in you read greens better? I know I do. The more you put in, the better everything becomes.

For me no, I could read greens okay before Aimpoint, but I got to many reads wrong and what really peed me off more than anything was the optical illusion, the read where everything that tells you the balls breaks left, you aim right for the break and the ball goes further right. Aimpoint helps me get rid of those reads, for which no amount of practice could.

This is the bit they seem far too glib about.
"Just " get the speed???

They brush over too many issues, grain, wind and judging the speed being the biggest.
There's way too many variables.

You make it read like those variables are just Aimpoint issues, to debunk the technique, but the variables you mention are all relevant no matter how you read a green. Aimpoint gives you a technique on how to read a green, speed and line are something you have to practice and by line I mean the line the putter takes at impact and whether you hit the ball where you intended or whether you push or pull the stroke.

How does the system work on the likes of Bermuda greens where the pace can vary depending which direction you are putting?

I wouldn't know never played on Bermuda greens, well not that I know of in the UK anyway.

 

[Papas1982]

It's also ironic that just as an aimpoint thread 'goes off'. It's no1 user is holing the earth and leading the players

For every person who mocks it. There's always someone else who blindly believes others can't be right to not use it.

Look at his season stats. Is he the no1 putter in the world?
shame here's not an ampoint for wedges too lol

 

[chrisd]

For every person who mocks it. There's always someone else who blindly believes others can't be right to not use it.

Look at his season stats. Is he the no1 putter in the world?
shame here's not an ampoint for wedges too lol

Honestly Dave I don't see the Aimpointers banging on to non users, we simply defend our decision to take the course and to argue (rightly) that implementing it takes no more time than non Aimpointers do on the green.

The question isn't whether he's the number one putter in the world, it's whether he feels he reads greens better as a result of taking the course. You told me at RSG that you were using bits of it you'd seen on Utube - the problem is that I've never seen a video that covers the system in its entirety and therefore you're unlikely to employ it usefully.

 

[Papas1982]

Honestly Dave I don't see the Aimpointers banging on to non users, we simply defend our decision to take the course and to argue (rightly) that implementing it takes no more time than non Aimpointers do on the green.

The question isn't whether he's the number one putter in the world, it's whether he feels he reads greens better as a result of taking the course. You told me at RSG that you were using bits of it you'd seen on Utube - the problem is that I've never seen a video that covers the system in its entirety and therefore you're unlikely to employ it usefully.

I watched lots on YouTube Chris to see what it was all about. And I do use the idea of feeling slope with my feet as eyes would regularly mislead me. But that's as far as it goes now as through lots of putting I feel that gives me a good eniugh idea.

Ive seen a fair bit of the science of it too and accept that it could help. I've never said it's hocus pocus. Or that it slows the game either.

Unfortunatley each time this convo comes up. Users will always say that as people haven't been on the course they can't possibly comment, which is wrong imo. We all make choices throughout life without researching every corner of it.

The fact someone choose scott to back up the argument last night says it all. If it was that simple then 80% of the year surely aimpoint is useless as the majority of winners don't use it.

I think topic should be on Red alert as it's always the same rubbish (from both sides). Users will never accept that people don't believe it. And people who don't believe it will always (tend to) belittle it.

i fully agree that the most important thing is that you have to believe it helps you putt better. It's just that a lot of people want tangeable proof.

Aimpoint equates to religion in golf lol

 

[MendieGK]

I watched lots on YouTube Chris to see what it was all about. And I do use the idea of feeling slope with my feet as eyes would regularly mislead me. But that's as far as it goes now as through lots of putting I feel that gives me a good eniugh idea.

Ive seen a fair bit of the science of it too and accept that it could help. I've never said it's hocus pocus. Or that it slows the game either.

Unfortunatley each time this convo comes up. Users will always say that as people haven't been on the course they can't possibly comment, which is wrong imo. We all make choices throughout life without researching every corner of it.

The fact someone choose scott to back up the argument last night says it all. If it was that simple then 80% of the year surely aimpoint is useless as the majority of winners don't use it.

I think topic should be on Red alert as it's always the same rubbish (from both sides). Users will never accept that people don't believe it. And people who don't believe it will always (tend to) belittle it.

i fully agree that the most important thing is that you have to believe it helps you putt better. It's just that a lot of people want tangeable proof.

Aimpoint equates to religion in golf lol

Im pretty sure I didn't use Adam scott to back it up! I just said it was ironic, as whilst I was sat there writing my post I saw scott hole 2 25putts in a row.

 

[chrisd]

Im pretty sure I didn't use Adam scott to back it up! I just said it was ironic, as whilst I was sat there writing my post I saw scott hole 2 25putts in a row.

I used Adam Scott as one of the users, and Justin Rose, but got told that both were poor putters - well, if you were Jordan Spieth you wouldn't look for a better way to read greens than you currently use. What I liked about the course was the certain way to determine the direction of the break as when I just looked at slopes etc from different angles i was often misreading the slope and double crossing myself. My own course has pretty small greens and I hardly ever use the fingers but do often assign a reading, but when I went to Woburn i tried it with varying degrees of success.

I know you liked the course and so I'm preaching to the converted but I'm still looking for the one post that categorically says it doesn't work - with, of course, the proof!

 

[Norrin Radd]

i have a question ,,,,,,, how many users are going to say its rubbish when they have shelled out hard earned to do the course .?
i have no gripe with anyone using the method ,but i will say that i think it is just a way of having a pre shot routine rather than any actual hard fact science being involved,it seems that its all guess work at the end of the day and as such the best guessers will get the most from it .
when im playing and walking up towards the green im taking note of the general lay of the green and looking for slopes and borrows from distance .the field of vision is reduced to the specific area of where my ball is the nearer i get. im sure we all do this and for me what has been written about AP on here is taking things further .no problem but i will be relying on my vision a lot more than my feet to tell me that it falls left or right .
at the end of the day you either buy into the idea or you dont ,im not buying at the moment ,but in the future who knows?

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Many different ways of playing golf all the different swings, all the different ways of putting and so on.


If is works for you and helps you to improve your putting reading and you feel it does, then continue as you are and no need to justify it to me.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

EXACTLY!!!

Not just pace, but direction also. Flat putts break from the side to side if you are going sideways across the grain.

And how do you practice your sensing of slope and hence the technique when your practice putting green is flat?

 

[ger147]

And how do you practice your sensing of slope and hence the technique when your practice putting green is flat?

Practice on the course, either in non-comp games and solo practice or in at the deep end and use it in comps and see what happens.

 

[JohnnyDee]

Could it perhaps be that both sides are approaching this point in the debate? :whoo: