Hahahahahahaha - Aimpoint

[Liverbirdie]

You'll regret it! Because in true DFS style the special price is only until this coming Sunday after which I can't promise it won't double.

Hah - nice try, I'll wait for the coming bank holiday, and get it even cheaper!

 

[dufferman]

If my putting goes to pot during a round, I find that dragging my feet across the intended green using my spikes like a plough usually gets the angst out of me and I putt better from then on.

Whatever works for you. I always take my shoes off round the green, in case someone three groups behind me gets offended I stood on their intended line.

 

[chrisd]

Whatever works for you. I always take my shoes off round the green, in case someone three groups behind me gets offended I stood on their intended line.

You did when you played with me - I was only offended by the Pong! :thup:

 

[dufferman]

You did when you played with me - I was only offended by the Pong! :thup:

There's a joke about Ping and Pong in there somewhere, but I can't for the life of me think of it!!

 

[dufferman]

You did when you played with me - I was only offended by the Pong! :thup:

I also wear Table Tennis shoes to golf, cos my Ping's Pong.

Got it.

 

[mcbroon]

Surely scientific measurement is only as good as the tools used to do the measuring?

This is the bit I don't get - how do you measure the percentage of slope with your feet? I can see how it works on a large break but can your feet really discern the difference between a 2% and a 4% slope?

And to garyinderry's point, how can you be sure that you hold your arm the right length from your face each time?

If it gives people confidence, then great. It just seems too fallible to me, and no more reliable than using your eyes.

That said, I'm a poor putter, so maybe I should investigate...

 

[Orikoru]

Surely scientific measurement is only as good as the tools used to do the measuring?

This is the bit I don't get - how do you measure the percentage of slope with your feet? I can see how it works on a large break but can your feet really discern the difference between a 2% and a 4% slope?

And to garyinderry's point, how can you be sure that you hold your arm the right length from your face each time?

If it gives people confidence, then great. It just seems too fallible to me, and no more reliable than using your eyes.

That said, I'm a poor putter, so maybe I should investigate...

I've never tried it, but if my eyes can't see a slope then I'm skeptical that my feet will be able to. It all sounds weird to me. As some have said, I think if it works for someone, it's possibly just as much the process of doing it, as a kind of pre-putt routine, putting you in the right frame of mind and whatnot. And if it works for that reason then that's as good as anything else, might as well keep doing it.

 

[Khamelion]

Surely scientific measurement is only as good as the tools used to do the measuring?

This is the bit I don't get - how do you measure the percentage of slope with your feet? I can see how it works on a large break but can your feet really discern the difference between a 2% and a 4% slope?

And to garyinderry's point, how can you be sure that you hold your arm the right length from your face each time?

If it gives people confidence, then great. It just seems too fallible to me, and no more reliable than using your eyes.

That said, I'm a poor putter, so maybe I should investigate...

To be honest I was sceptical about being able to distinguish between a 1% and 3% slope with my feet, but during the lesson you do pick it up. When back at your home course on the practice green, you can use your phone and an app called 'Clinometer' to find slopes so you can ingrain the feeling.

As for holding your arm out, you calibrate that on the practice green before heading out for a round. The practice green should be the same as the greens on the course. If the greens are slow hold your arm out full length, for medium speed grens give our arm a slight bend, on fast greens increase the bend and hold close ish to your face, but you calibrate that during practice prior to play.

 

[backwoodsman]

To be honest I was sceptical about being able to distinguish between a 1% and 3% slope with my feet, but during the lesson you do pick it up. When back at your home course on the practice green, you can use your phone and an app called 'Clinometer' to find slopes so you can ingrain the feeling.

As for holding your arm out, you calibrate that on the practice green before heading out for a round. The practice green should be the same as the greens on the course. If the greens are slow hold your arm out full length, for medium speed grens give our arm a slight bend, on fast greens increase the bend and hold close ish to your face, but you calibrate that during practice prior to play.

So, yet another variable to lob in - making sure your arm is bent by the same amount eveytime? If one believes it helps with ones putting, then it probably does. The mental side of things is not to be sniffed at. But for me, I'm afraid it's one for the flat earth society. (But then, they wouldn't need it would they )

 

[tsped83]

To be honest I was sceptical about being able to distinguish between a 1% and 3% slope with my feet, but during the lesson you do pick it up. When back at your home course on the practice green, you can use your phone and an app called 'Clinometer' to find slopes so you can ingrain the feeling.

As for holding your arm out, you calibrate that on the practice green before heading out for a round. The practice green should be the same as the greens on the course. If the greens are slow hold your arm out full length, for medium speed grens give our arm a slight bend, on fast greens increase the bend and hold close ish to your face, but you calibrate that during practice prior to play.

That just sounds bonkers and very woolly. Slight bend, close-ish, the guy that pioneered this and sold it is a mastermind. I applaud his audacity.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It sounds a plausible method, I'll give you that - but the true secret to putting success is to be found in post #52. :thup:

It's not really a method - it's a routine. It's just looking for the break from behind, getting myself set over the ball, getting my mind into the putt; and then hitting the ball. It's a routine I use on all putts as it stops me rushing the short ones.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You only do a single read on putts up to about 6 feet

What you mean? For a six footer I do exactly the same as I do for a 20 footer or a 2 footer.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

To be honest I was sceptical about being able to distinguish between a 1% and 3% slope with my feet, but during the lesson you do pick it up. When back at your home course on the practice green, you can use your phone and an app called 'Clinometer' to find slopes so you can ingrain the feeling.

As for holding your arm out, you calibrate that on the practice green before heading out for a round. The practice green should be the same as the greens on the course. If the greens are slow hold your arm out full length, for medium speed grens give our arm a slight bend, on fast greens increase the bend and hold close ish to your face, but you calibrate that during practice prior to play.

This should be illegal. One of the justifications given for allowing GPS or Laser distance measurement devices is that distance is something that every player can work out without recourse to device measurement i.e. they can pace distance out from yardage makers on or to the side of the fairway. There is absolutely no way that, without a device, I can get a measurement of a slope. So should be banned - if not already banned.

 

[ger147]

This should be illegal. One of the justifications given for allowing GPS or Laser distance measurement devices is that distance is something that every player can work out without recourse to device measurement i.e. they can pace distance out from yardage makers on or to the side of the fairway. There is absolutely no way that, without a device, I can get a measurement of a slope. So should be banned - if not already banned.

He states on the practice green. It is of course not allowed on the course itself during a competition.

 

[craigstardis1976]

What am I missing? Why not just see the line, decide how hard you want to hit it and putt it into the hole? I mean I am not a professional or suchlike but surely there is not much more to putting than that? It is a binary thing. You either make it or miss it?

 

[Khamelion]

So, yet another variable to lob in - making sure your arm is bent by the same amount eveytime? If one believes it helps with ones putting, then it probably does. The mental side of things is not to be sniffed at. But for me, I'm afraid it's one for the flat earth society. (But then, they wouldn't need it would they )

That just sounds bonkers and very woolly. Slight bend, close-ish, the guy that pioneered this and sold it is a mastermind. I applaud his audacity.

Bending you arm is not that difficult to be fair, most people can and do on a regular basis. Bending you arm the correct amount to make sure you hit your mouth with your pint is not hard and doesn't vary. In the same vane working out the speed of a green and then making sure your arm is bent appropriately is not hard either and that doesn't vary from the three potential positions.

In the end, for those of us that have done the class and use Aimpoint while playing, it benefits us, has improved and will continue to improve our ability to read greens, and gets us closer to making more one putts than three putts.

For the majority of the those that have not tried it, refuse to try as they see it as 'snake oil', or some 'flat earth' bunkum, no matter what is written to explain how it works, they will always spin it to make it sound a waste of money, time and effort.

 

[3565]

Bending you arm is not that difficult to be fair, most people can and do on a regular basis. Bending you arm the correct amount to make sure you hit your mouth with your pint is not hard and doesn't vary. In the same vane working out the speed of a green and then making sure your arm is bent appropriately is not hard either and that doesn't vary from the three potential positions.

In the end, for those of us that have done the class and use Aimpoint while playing, it benefits us, has improved and will continue to improve our ability to read greens, and gets us closer to making more one putts than three putts.

For the majority of the those that have not tried it, refuse to try as they see it as 'snake oil', or some 'flat earth' bunkum, no matter what is written to explain how it works, they will always spin it to make it sound a waste of money, time and effort.

Amen to that..

As the thread title states, I'm laughing at the cynics and those dispel it, yet are uninformed by it.

 

[Smiffy]

I suppose the final nail in the Aimpoint coffin would be if your handicap went up rather than down after using it........

 

[mcbroon]

Amen to that..

As the thread title states, I'm laughing at the cynics and those dispel it, yet are uninformed by it.

I think people are cynical because nobody has been able, as far as I can see, to explain how you assess the slope with your feet, or how you know how much to bend your arm. Nor has anyone been able to demonstrate a link between the adoption of Aimpoint and significant improvement in performance.

The fact that the most famous proponents of the method are, Lydia Ko excepted, pretty honking putters, it's easy to see why cynicism abounds.

 

[3565]

I suppose the final nail in the Aimpoint coffin would be if your handicap went up rather than down after using it........

oh god totally agree with this as our handicap is determined if we can read a putting green correctly and not the culmination of number of shots that taken us to get to the green and to hole the ball?

Seriously!!!! 😂