Green Bay Hacker
Journeyman Pro
That would be total gobbledygook to me. I have enough thoughts going round in my head on the course without that. However, if it helps other people then good luck to them as golf is all about confidence in your game.
Tiered greens, double or more breakers, the list goes on, Aimpoint is a crutch imo. Weaker putters need belief above their own confidence in their game, similar to crazy preshot routines, if ability isn't there in the first place then no amount of posturing and fingers up will help.
3 putts at your home course and missing on the am side each time is not a good advert for this hoodoo neither.
3 putts at your home course and missing on the am side each time is not a good advert for this hoodoo neither.
Bazz
Q-School Graduate
Yeah just for a change.
Dasit
Tour Rookie
Not a fan of all the Homer bullying on this site.
Surprised the mods have not dealt with the constant offenders.
Surprised the mods have not dealt with the constant offenders.
SugarPenguin
Challenge Tour Pro
well this seems a bit harsh.
Pretty low pal making a thread like this....
Pretty low pal making a thread like this....
tsped83
Tour Winner
Don't think this thread to draw Homer out is necessary, however, having watched a bit of his video I do conclude that Aimpoint is utter ballsocks for those incapable of reading a green.
Thread started about aimpoint being nonsense, the rest, make what you will, aimpoint is nonsense though.
For the record, if an amateur mid handicap golfer decides to start a blog, record and link YouTube videos and post on a public forum then he has to expect the positive AND the negative.
For the record, if an amateur mid handicap golfer decides to start a blog, record and link YouTube videos and post on a public forum then he has to expect the positive AND the negative.
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Hosel Fade
Tour Rookie
Not so sure about this. Its a constant subject of willy waving to the point of being able to take 1.5' off whatever speed somewhere will say their greens are you are then close.
3565
Journeyman Pro
Someone said there is nonsense being said, their is, and it comes from those who don't know.
Golf can be a contrary game, with some very weird swings, e.g. Jim Furyk. Putting has its own niche in quirky and uniqueness. You've only got to ask yourself the question, how did Nichlaus win so many Majors with that putting style?
If Aimpoint works for someone, then it has a place in this frustrating game.
As to Homer's YouTube piece; I gave up before halfway. Don't give up the day job Martin...
If Aimpoint works for someone, then it has a place in this frustrating game.
As to Homer's YouTube piece; I gave up before halfway. Don't give up the day job Martin...
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
If part of the point of this video is to show that Aimpoint doesn't slow things down, it fails.
Obviously, in a real scenario, tees wouldn't be put in the ground to show the line - it was done on the practice green, don't do it on the 1st green, walk up to the green, do the read and hit the putt.
I'm far from convinced by it and I'm not knocking anyone who is, but I don't think I'd spend the time and the money doing a course on it.
Any of the putts that Homer showed, I suspect, any half decent player could have had a quick look at the line and left a tap-in, especially on a green that's been played a thousand times....
I think I've only seen 1 course publish green speeds - is it common?
And I'm far from convinced I could feel a gradient that moves a ball 6 inches over a distance of 20+ feet.
Obviously, in a real scenario, tees wouldn't be put in the ground to show the line - it was done on the practice green, don't do it on the 1st green, walk up to the green, do the read and hit the putt.
I'm far from convinced by it and I'm not knocking anyone who is, but I don't think I'd spend the time and the money doing a course on it.
Any of the putts that Homer showed, I suspect, any half decent player could have had a quick look at the line and left a tap-in, especially on a green that's been played a thousand times....
I think I've only seen 1 course publish green speeds - is it common?
And I'm far from convinced I could feel a gradient that moves a ball 6 inches over a distance of 20+ feet.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
To borrow a line from another youtube clip: Crash, bang, wallop, what a video!
(thanks to Alan Partridge)
I’ve seen lots of threads on aimpoint on GM but even after reading them I was pretty clueless so just enjoyed the banter without getting involved
On the plus side I now know why aimpoint users stick their fingers in the air, although how one or two degrees of slope through your feet can even remotely transpose accurately to one or two fingers left/right of the pin is still a mystery (leaving aside the apparent superhuman skill of accurately feeling a few degrees of slope through bare feet let alone socks and shoes) and I’m saying this as a player that will on occasion walk alongside my line to get an indication of break (but that’s all it is, an indication, not a numerical value)
I don't doubt that after tuition lots of practice will improve that skill
Anyway, surely a fat fingered bloke (that’s a bloke with fat fingers, rather than…) is going to overestimate the break that his skinny fingered friend would, on exactly the same putt?
And what happens on cold/hot days when a players fingers shrink or swell etc!
So for the above educational reason alone it was worth a watch
For our intrepid presenter, I don't really mind the extreme amateurish presenting, its quite entertaining, but Homer please get a wireless mic for use in your videos, it was cringeworthy when you walked away and kept talking
I can’t decide if you’re a well-meaning, well-intentioned guy that just loves to talk about his passion or a guy who just loves the sound of his own voice and thinks the world needs an opportunity to hear it… but as long as your happy don’t ever change
Back to aimpoint, I watched a putting tutorial video once about how amateurs don’t correctly identify (& subsequently fail to aim for) the absolute apex of the break (basically too many of us assume the apex will be the near the mid-point between ball & hole when it’s often not) and the putt invariably falls to the low side more often than not & that really made sense to me, and I can see that fault happening in this video
In summary, thanks for putting it up Homer but I think I'm happier to focus on the apex point and aim for that & remain clueless re aimpoint (and to borrow a line from this video)… 'I’ll give it two fingers'
(thanks to Alan Partridge)
I’ve seen lots of threads on aimpoint on GM but even after reading them I was pretty clueless so just enjoyed the banter without getting involved
On the plus side I now know why aimpoint users stick their fingers in the air, although how one or two degrees of slope through your feet can even remotely transpose accurately to one or two fingers left/right of the pin is still a mystery (leaving aside the apparent superhuman skill of accurately feeling a few degrees of slope through bare feet let alone socks and shoes) and I’m saying this as a player that will on occasion walk alongside my line to get an indication of break (but that’s all it is, an indication, not a numerical value)
I don't doubt that after tuition lots of practice will improve that skill
Anyway, surely a fat fingered bloke (that’s a bloke with fat fingers, rather than…) is going to overestimate the break that his skinny fingered friend would, on exactly the same putt?
And what happens on cold/hot days when a players fingers shrink or swell etc!
So for the above educational reason alone it was worth a watch
For our intrepid presenter, I don't really mind the extreme amateurish presenting, its quite entertaining, but Homer please get a wireless mic for use in your videos, it was cringeworthy when you walked away and kept talking
I can’t decide if you’re a well-meaning, well-intentioned guy that just loves to talk about his passion or a guy who just loves the sound of his own voice and thinks the world needs an opportunity to hear it… but as long as your happy don’t ever change
Back to aimpoint, I watched a putting tutorial video once about how amateurs don’t correctly identify (& subsequently fail to aim for) the absolute apex of the break (basically too many of us assume the apex will be the near the mid-point between ball & hole when it’s often not) and the putt invariably falls to the low side more often than not & that really made sense to me, and I can see that fault happening in this video
In summary, thanks for putting it up Homer but I think I'm happier to focus on the apex point and aim for that & remain clueless re aimpoint (and to borrow a line from this video)… 'I’ll give it two fingers'
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Er, it is actually aimpoint bashing not Homer bashing.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
It's not for me but each to their own, and if you feel it gives you confidence or help putting then why not?
JohnnyDee
Tour Winner
The Aimpoint Circus came to our club back in 2015 and I was intrigued by the pre visit hype and the blurb on the flyers etc.
Come the big day I never went along (I thought it was horrendously overpriced and I'm pretty happy with my own putting anyway) but I then got to see what it was up close and personal via my Pro who had adopted it subsequently.
In my opinion (I'm no expert so obviously my opinion means nothing) I think the concept is utter guff.
I don't see anyone at our place doing it on the course now some 2 years on and apart from Adam Scott (and one LPGA player whose name I can't recall) I couldn't name any tour players doing it.
Putting is a personal thing and (IMO) more than any other area of the game requires a lot of feel and natural ability.
If Aimpoimt works for some then fair dos but I'm struggling on and relying on my own meagre ability.
Come the big day I never went along (I thought it was horrendously overpriced and I'm pretty happy with my own putting anyway) but I then got to see what it was up close and personal via my Pro who had adopted it subsequently.
In my opinion (I'm no expert so obviously my opinion means nothing) I think the concept is utter guff.
I don't see anyone at our place doing it on the course now some 2 years on and apart from Adam Scott (and one LPGA player whose name I can't recall) I couldn't name any tour players doing it.
Putting is a personal thing and (IMO) more than any other area of the game requires a lot of feel and natural ability.
If Aimpoimt works for some then fair dos but I'm struggling on and relying on my own meagre ability.
Capella
Journeyman Pro
I am sure Aimpoint (or rather Aimpoint Express, which is the stuff they do now with the fingers ... the original Aimpoint was much much slower and more tedious with several complicated tables you had to consult ... it was invented by a software developer, which tells you probably all you need to now about it) works for most people. For a while. As would anything else you did before putting which occupies your mind. gives you confidence over the putt und keeps your conscious thought from interfering with your actual putting stroke. It helps you to commit to a putt, not more, not less. Your subconscious, whoknows the break of the green much better than the conscious part of your brain ever could, will then take over and do its job. We all judge slopes with our feet more than with our eyes, with every step we take. We are bipeds on a planet with gravity, we would topple over otherwise. It is something our brain is incredibly good at. I am pretty certain that most people who struggle "reading breaks" are either overthinking it or they are simply not putting on the line they think they are putting on.
snell
Journeyman Pro
I remember a while back you calling out Johnny Dee for starting stupid threads....
bobmac
Major Champion
Oh dear Homer, you were doing so well until you missed that putt because you pulled it.
Shame you couldn't insert a 'take 2'
Shame you couldn't insert a 'take 2'
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
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Correct!
