Hahahahahahaha - Aimpoint

[Foxholer]

The one thing that stops Adam Scott from challenging week in week out - his putting , not a great advert

Rose - continuely struggles with his putting changing methods and putters continually

The top Lady golfers also have their caddy read and line them up as well.

Maybe a 1% using it if that - if Aimpoint users were winning week in week out and it was down to their putting them it could be used as tick in the box for the method - but that's not really the case.

I suspect it's more a placebo type thing - it makes people believe they can read putts more but would not be surprised you and anyone using aimpoint would be able to get the same read using any other method

Not sure whether Scott using it is a 'negative' or a 'positive' for Aimpoint! It does show that he is determined (desperate?) to improve his putting - and seems to have done so, even after returning to a short putter. Aimpoint could well have helped - even simply by giving him more confidence!

Lydia Ko is one of, if not THE, best putters on LPGA Tour! She uses Aimpoint - so that's probably a 'big plus' for it! And Yes, she was 'winning week in, week out' (last year) and putting was a major reason!

 

[Region3]

The one thing that stops Adam Scott from challenging week in week out - his putting , not a great advert

Rose - continuely struggles with his putting changing methods and putters continually

But are they bad putters or bad green readers?

Maybe a 1% using it if that - if Aimpoint users were winning week in week out and it was down to their putting them it could be used as tick in the box for the method - but that's not really the case.

Lydia Ko?

World number 1 since Feb '15 and a scoring average under 70. From what I've seen putting is the best part of her game, and you can't say it's the caddie because she replaces them more often than her wedges!

 

[Region3]

I am definitely not pro Aimpoint, but it does make me giggle some of the comments rubbishing it.

It's physics. If you know the variables involved then physics can pretty much guarantee (barring bobbles) the path the ball will travel along. Knowing those variables is the tricky bit and the degree of slope is only one of those things. Even if you get all that right you still have to hit the ball on your intended line at your intended speed. So it's difficult, and may or may not help some people, but to say the concept is flawed is akin to saying those NASA dudes are just guessing where Saturn will be when their probe reaches it.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I may have the answer for everyone on the thread - both sides of the divide.:thup:

I've been working now for a year on my own new revolutionary putting method.

BUMPOINT

It works like this.

Approach your ball on the green and squat above it with your bum hovering directly over it.

Say this mantra: "I'm not in a rut and I won't miss this putt" 5 times.

Next point your bum towards the hole, hop o<script id="gpt-impl-0.038331801095692064" src="https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/gpt/pubads_impl_116.js"></script>n your right foot once (obviously your left if you're left-handed) touch your nose with your pencil twice and then make the stroke.

And trust me here - you're gonna be amazed.:whoo:

I wanna see a video of it, before committing my "only $99, direct to your door ", thank you very much.

PS - don't miss the putts, or I'm not buying it!

if I'm not convinced, I'm going for aimpoint lite, for the slimmers amongst us.:thup:

 

[chrisd]

The one thing that stops Adam Scott from challenging week in week out - his putting , not a great advert

Rose - continuely struggles with his putting changing methods and putters continually

The top Lady golfers also have their caddy read and line them up as well.

Maybe a 1% using it if that - if Aimpoint users were winning week in week out and it was down to their putting them it could be used as tick in the box for the method - but that's not really the case.

I suspect it's more a placebo type thing - it makes people believe they can read putts more but would not be surprised you and anyone using aimpoint would be able to get the same read using any other method

And that's why people learn and do it. If you're an ace green reader you don't need it but for everyone else .....

There is clearly a scientific point to it but even if it's a placebo effect if I make a couple of putts a round more than I otherwise would have then why wouldn't I be happy with doing it. It does give me more confidence that I've judged the putt right and ive certainly spent more money on lessons that have done me no good at all on different parts of my game

Clearly Aimpointers aren't going to win every week just like good putter, say Jordan Spieth isn't winning, but it's a method that, if you buy into, is a further aid to better scores.

 

[garyinderry]

I am definitely not pro Aimpoint, but it does make me giggle some of the comments rubbishing it.

It's physics. If you know the variables involved then physics can pretty much guarantee (barring bobbles) the path the ball will travel along. Knowing those variables is the tricky bit and the degree of slope is only one of those things. Even if you get all that right you still have to hit the ball on your intended line at your intended speed. So it's difficult, and may or may not help some people, but to say the concept is flawed is akin to saying those NASA dudes are just guessing where Saturn will be when their probe reaches it.

Nasa definitely Aimpoints.

 

[dufferman]

I use it too, from a maximum distance of about 12-15 feet. I find it particularly good for shorter putts i.e. 6 feet and in.

My putting has improved at the start of this season and my handicap has already fallen by 1 shot so far but I wouldn't put that down to Aim Point, it's just a different method of reading putts that I'm finding is particularly accurate for shorter distance reads.

Exactly. My putting is much better than it was, I was (am!) a rubbish reader of greens so using my feet to gauge the slope rather than the naked eye has me putting 100% better.

I was at the Golf Monthly King of Kings day at Camberley Heath a few years ago, and my FC (I can't remember who it was!) had a putt next to mine. I read the putt as a slight left to right. He aimed 1ft right of the hole - opposite to what I had seen - and his putt either went in from 10 / 12 ft or came very close to. Luckily he had gone first, I copied his line and I too got close. It was at that point I knew unless I had a straight putt I just did not see green breaks very well. Aimpoint worked for me!

Also worth noting I didn't take the face to face course, I did the online course which (I think) was £50. I still have access to the video so can re-watch it whenever I wish. Well worth the £50 in my opinion, less than a new putter which is what most people would buy when their putting goes to pot!

 

[Smiffy]

Well worth the £50 in my opinion, less than a new putter which is what most people would buy when their putting goes to pot!

If my putting goes to pot during a round, I find that dragging my feet across the intended green using my spikes like a plough usually gets the angst out of me and I putt better from then on.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And that's why people learn and do it. If you're an ace green reader you don't need it but for everyone else .....

There is clearly a scientific point to it but even if it's a placebo effect if I make a couple of putts a round more than I otherwise would have then why wouldn't I be happy with doing it. It does give me more confidence that I've judged the putt right and ive certainly spent more money on lessons that have done me no good at all on different parts of my game

Clearly Aimpointers aren't going to win every week just like good putter, say Jordan Spieth isn't winning, but it's a method that, if you buy into, is a further aid to better scores.

Ever since I have heard about Aimpoint on here it's been like a dark art - people going on the course paying significant money and from i have seen there hasn't been many significant improvements Bar the odd one or two guys. People have asked how it works etc to maybe dispel myths etc so the OP does a video to dispel those myths and for me prob does more damage than good in regards the overall general feeling of Aimpoint. Maybe it's the way it's presented and demonstrated in the video ?

 

[Khamelion]

I did the Aimpoint Express course a few weeks back and love it. The number of one putts is going up, two putts are consistent and three putts are slowly being resigned to the past.

The comment about standing on your line, simply you don't. You gather the slope from standing astride you ball, if high side is right, that's the side you will putt down, so walk to a point down the left away from you line and determine the slope percentage, back to you ball, find your line and putt.

As long as you have a decent putting stroke (which has nowt to do with Aimpoint), can start your ball on the right line without pulling or pushing it and get the pace right, you'll sink the putt or be damn close.

It's very much a case of each to their own, I wasn't a bad putter before Aimpoint, but after it I'm getting a lot better. It may seem like snake oil to some, but when you line up a putt that you eyes and mind are telling you should not be that far left or right of the hole and then you set the ball away on that line and it drops or leaves you a tap in, there if definitely something in it.

 

[chrisd]

Ever since I have heard about Aimpoint on here it's been like a dark art - people going on the course paying significant money and from i have seen there hasn't been many significant improvements Bar the odd one or two guys. People have asked how it works etc to maybe dispel myths etc so the OP does a video to dispel those myths and for me prob does more damage than good in regards the overall general feeling of Aimpoint. Maybe it's the way it's presented and demonstrated in the video ?

I'd be very happy to show you how it works Phil.

It is definitely based on science and spawned from the putt line we all see on televised golf showing the correct line from ball to cup. It cost me the equivalent of a couple of hours lesson with a pro and ive made, or missed putts closer than I did before. I don't think its great for reading double breakers or the like but like Duffermans post I don't often misread putts and the direction they are likely to move. No, it's not goingto make me putt like Spieth but it is an aid that helps me.

 

[chrisd]

If my putting goes to pot during a round, I find that dragging my feet across the intended green using my spikes like a plough usually gets the angst out of me and I putt better from then on.

Thats why you chucked the Stuart shoes - not a deep enough rut !

 

[pokerjoke]

Although Homer is not the best talker he actually made it all sound quite simple.

It is obviously for people that cant read greens with their eyes and feel that the feet give them a better feel of slope,for me this would be my only reason for not trying it as my eyes and my green reading is good.

To be honest and blunt I would like Martins handicap to come down and really show us that his game really is improving not just from his putting but his chipping too as he says that's improved too,it really would be the proof that the changes he is making are working.

Lets be honest here as a lot pf people have played together from the forum and a lot of us need improving myself included.

 

[Smiffy]

Thats why you chucked the Stuart shoes - not a deep enough rut !

They were Stuburt. And you were right.

 

[Hobbit]

Just a thought. If someone splashes out on Aimpoint, and then goes and practices and practices and practices what are they learning the most? My gut feel, and I may be doing it a disservice, is they are learning distance feel and they are learning to aim based on experience.

And if someone just did the practice, practice, practice bit I think they'd pretty much achieve the same thing. I would put money that a significant number of people who splash out on this probably didn't put in huge amounts of practice previously but thought they were bad putters because of what happened every Saturday. The main issue I've come across with all dodgy putters is length - leaving a 30ft putt 3ft short or 3ft long is a bigger issues than missing by 6" either side.

But if someone's continually missing from 2ft, or missing from 15ft... if it works for them, Brilliant.

 

[JohnnyDee]

I wanna see a video of it, before committing my "only $99, direct to your door ", thank you very much.

PS - don't miss the putts, or I'm not buying it!

if I'm not convinced, I'm going for aimpoint lite, for the slimmers amongst us.:thup:

You'll regret it! Because in true DFS style the special price is only until this coming Sunday after which I can't promise it won't double.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not sure my feet and in-built 'sense' gives quite the same accuracy as a 3ft long spirit level - now that would give an accurate scientific measure of slope as an input to my decision making. But the slope I measure is only accurate at the point I take the measurement. And a single measurement is almost irrelevant if the slope changes along the line of the putt? Surely? No matter.

My putting improved measurably when I sorted a simple routine that I follow for every putt. Have look down the line and gentle sway to left and right to get feel for any break and find an 'aimpoint' on the green for my line. Take address position. Three practice swings to get feel of the weight. Address the ball. Look to hole and back a couple of times to check my line. And hit it. Repeat until the ball is in the hole

I know it works. So I just keep doing what I know works. And it works.

 

[chrisd]

They were Stuburt. And you were right.

Bliddy depiktiff tects!

 

[JohnnyDee]

Not sure my feet and in-built 'sense' gives quite the same accuracy as a 3ft long spirit level - now that would give an accurate scientific measure of slope as an input to my decision making. But the slope I measure is only accurate at the point I take the measurement. And a single measurement is almost irrelevant if the slope changes along the line of the putt? Surely? No matter.

My putting improved measurably when I sorted a simple routine that I follow for every putt. Have look down the line and gentle sway to left and right to get feel for any break and find an 'aimpoint' on the green for my line. Take address position. Three practice swings to get feel of the weight. Address the ball. Look to hole and back a couple of times to check my line. And hit it. Repeat until the ball is in the hole

I know it works. So I just keep doing what I know works. And it works.

It sounds a plausible method, I'll give you that - but the true secret to putting success is to be found in post #52. :thup:

 

[chrisd]

Not sure my feet and in-built 'sense' gives quite the same accuracy as a 3ft long spirit level - now that would give an accurate scientific measure of slope as an input to my decision making. But the slope I measure is only accurate at the point I take the measurement. And a single measurement is almost irrelevant if the slope changes along the line of the putt? Surely? No matter.

My putting improved measurably when I sorted a simple routine that I follow for every putt. Have look down the line and gentle sway to left and right to get feel for any break and find an 'aimpoint' on the green for my line. Take address position. Three practice swings to get feel of the weight. Address the ball. Look to hole and back a couple of times to check my line. And hit it. Repeat until the ball is in the hole

I know it works. So I just keep doing what I know works. And it works.

You only do a single read on putts up to about 6 feet