Got a moan about slow play during a medal... Oops

[Foxholer]

I would be very interested to know the source of your definitions. Section 1 of the rules merely states:

"It is a group’s responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group."

"Where a group has not lost a clear hole, but it is apparent that the group behind can play faster, it should invite the faster moving group to play through."

If there is additional guidance on definitions that can be passed on to players, can you point me in that direction?

From memory, and it's not 100%, it as from a Dean Knuth ('Pope of Slope') item. Couldn't find the specific item so it may not have been - it's been a while since I've been there and it's changed.

However, it's pretty logical really.The 5 shots is 1 Par 4 plus the lead time you gave the group in front in the first place. How would state it any differently - apart from 'clear hole' which obviously is inconsistent between Par 3s, 4s and 5s. Pemember too that the phrase is 'loses' not 'is'.

Quicker group should alays be let through - even if it only means swapping position on the course..

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Tee time spacing can cause a real issue with slow play, our place has a shortish par 4 first up. Quite a few people can drive green high so these wait for it to clear and others can't. The people who can't drive the green tee off earlier then start pushing the group ahead along on the next hole, these then start moaning about the group in front being slow and really no one is really slow there are just too many people on the course. As soon as one group has to wait this has a knock on effect to the groups behind generating slow play simply by congestion on the course.

 

[Foxholer]

Tee time spacing can cause a real issue with slow play, our place has a shortish par 4 first up. Quite a few people can drive green high so these wait for it to clear and others can't. The people who can't drive the green tee off earlier then start pushing the group ahead along on the next hole, these then start moaning about the group in front being slow and really no one is really slow there are just too many people on the course. As soon as one group has to wait this has a knock on effect to the groups behind generating slow play simply by congestion on the course.

That's exactly the situation/results that those studies found - though it was for any Par 4, not just drivable ones.

That's about the only situation where I'd consider having a 'Call-Up' hole. Important to hold the guys on the tee until all players are on the green though - even if they are not going for the green. A notice explaining why might also help.

It's not so much a case of too many people on the course, but too mny people on certain parts of the course. Eliminating the bottlenecks. It's also the 1 positive thing about having a Par 3 to start - that forces gaps.

 

[NorfolkShaun]

always the same at our place, the first three holes you can be close to the group in front then there are two par threes this really spreads the field out then everyone catches up again at various points then generally there is a bit of a hold up at the next par three which is the fourteenth this tends to then spread everyone out until the end of the round.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

none .. It was clear behind them, we checked because he said we were. If we had been then yes he had a case and I would have let them through. I have no issues with calling people through but at my course there are certain members who have no idea and will walk across your shot because they are in a hurry.

Seems strange, why would the players behind lie about you backing the course up?

 

[Foxholer]

always the same at our place, the first three holes you can be close to the group in front then there are two par threes this really spreads the field out then everyone catches up again at various points then generally there is a bit of a hold up at the next par three which is the fourteenth this tends to then spread everyone out until the end of the round.

Doesn'r seem as if pace of play was considered when it was designed!

Again, US guys have done some analysis and it appears that a pair of mid-long Par 4s is the optimum. I'd check for sure, but Lappy is being a pain!

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Pace of play would probably not of been considered.

As with just about everything else he does just the cost would have been considered.

I would say he was tight but that would be quite unfair to tight people.

 

[harpo_72]

Seems strange, why would the players behind lie about you backing the course up?

I have no idea ... One of them looked like a bit of a grumpy thug or a bulldog that had swallowed a wasp

 

[HomerJSimpson]

We have an issue with our first being a 229 yard par 3 so you have to wait for everyone to hole out (medal). There is suppose to be a 10 minute gap in comps but even as a 3 ball, that can be pushing it especially if you have to play a provisional. On the plus side it is followed by a par 5 so it does space out after that.

 

[Liqdaddymac]

Sometimes the course doesn't help......
played Broadway AMAM on Saturday....first hole par 5 and we are all single fig and pretty long hitters.....3 of the 4 of us under 220 slightly downhill to green and so an iron in = long wait. 2nd 255yard par 4 = long wait. 3rd standard par 4, 4th another reachable par 5 = long wait, 6th par 3, 7th was Si 1. Over 2hours to get to 8th tee in a stable ford betterball.

there was 3 par 4 greens that at least one of us was on or through from the tee and 2 of them were not even drivers.

lovely course though.

 

[sydney greenstreet]

Those behind must have felt as though you were holding them up or they would not have asked to play through.