Good Luck to our Scottish Friends

[Basher]

Me and the Mrs are visiting Edinburgh in December.
Best check our passports are still in good order!

Hoping that whatever the outcome it will be for the best to Scotland.

It's all very important stuff, but as an Englishman I'm hoping it gets sorted quickly. Historic moment in time and I suppose it's put the Syria debacle down to 2nd place on the news run.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Have been out in Edinburgh tonight and there is a different atmosphere. Almost a party atmosphere but it's not that, people are too nervous. I know more no voters than yes but the streets are owned by the yes side tonight. Lots of people around and it's all good natured other than the guy in the pub who thought I shouldn't be wearing a Scotland top if I voted no.

I wandered home past the parliament. There was a crowd of about 500 there, police said it was dispersing so probably more earlier, acting almost like a football crowd. Cheers of "Scotland Scotland Scotland" and anti-BBC paranoid stuff. But nothing untoward. The No side are clearly at home waiting for the result.

It's inspiring seeing so many people fired up like this but saddening to think it's in support of nationalism, an ideology I thought long discredited.

The result is impossible to call. I think the no side have been largely silent and dignified throughout and will probably just accept a yes vote and try to make the best of it. The yes side have an excitable, crowd mentality about them. While the majority will, I'm sure, accept defeat magnanimously I fear that a minority will react badly.

Whatever way it goes, politics in Scotland and, yes, the uk has changed forever.... even if the rest of you haven't realised it yet.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Have been out in Edinburgh tonight and there is a different atmosphere. Almost a party atmosphere but it's not that, people are too nervous. I know more no voters than yes but the streets are owned by the yes side tonight. Lots of people around and it's all good natured other than the guy in the pub who thought I shouldn't be wearing a Scotland top if I voted no.

I wandered home past the parliament. There was a crowd of about 500 there, police said it was dispersing so probably more earlier, acting almost like a football crowd. Cheers of "Scotland Scotland Scotland" and anti-BBC paranoid stuff. But nothing untoward. The No side are clearly at home waiting for the result.

It's inspiring seeing so many people fired up like this but saddening to think it's in support of nationalism, an ideology I thought long discredited.

The result is impossible to call. I think the no side have been largely silent and dignified throughout and will probably just accept a yes vote and try to make the best of it. The yes side have an excitable, crowd mentality about them. While the majority will, I'm sure, accept defeat magnanimously I fear that a minority will react badly.

Whatever way it goes, politics in Scotland and, yes, the uk has changed forever.... even if the rest of you haven't realised it yet.

Has there been much trouble ? seen a few reports about a few arrests at polling stations but nothing to serious

The bit about wearing a scotland top if you vote no is the sort of stuff that is all over facebook - quite sad to see it drop to that level

 

[FairwayDodger]

Has there been much trouble ? seen a few reports about a few arrests at polling stations but nothing to serious

The bit about wearing a scotland top if you vote no is the sort of stuff that is all over facebook - quite sad to see it drop to that level

Didn't see an trouble tonight at all. The guy with the Scotland top remark is a regular in the pub so that probably goes into the banter category.

My partner did have a bad and frightening experience earlier in the week but on the whole things have been fine. I do worry how a no vote will be taken by some but hopefully I am concerned about nothing.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Didn't see an trouble tonight at all. The guy with the Scotland top remark is a regular in the pub so that probably goes into the banter category.

My partner did have a bad and frightening experience earlier in the week but on the whole things have been fine. I do worry how a no vote will be taken by some but hopefully I am concerned about nothing.

Yougov suggest its 99% a No win ?

 

[2blue]

Yougov suggest its 99% a No win ?

99% of what??

 

[Deleted member 15344]

99% of what??

99% sure.

 

[MadAdey]

Been sat here all night with my phone using the live updating page on the BBC website showing how the voting was going. My condolences to any forumers that wanted the 'YES' vote.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Not sure I'd call it the resounding victory some of the politicians are saying it is. Interesting to see there a number of ballot papers withdrawn from the Glasgow count because of potential voting fraud where the actual electorate arrived to be told they'd already voted. Hopefully the police will sort that out and glad there were no reports of any trouble.

Where does that leave Scotland though, particularly the large number who voted yes. What impact will that have on the election next year?

 

[6inchcup]

Not sure I'd call it the resounding victory some of the politicians are saying it is. Interesting to see there a number of ballot papers withdrawn from the Glasgow count because of potential voting fraud where the actual electorate arrived to be told they'd already voted. Hopefully the police will sort that out and glad there were no reports of any trouble.

Where does that leave Scotland though, particularly the large number who voted yes. What impact will that have on the election next year?

it may not bother us in ENGLAND who they vote for if the devo max idea is floated,a condition of which the CONSERVATIVE party is going to put in will be NO Scottish Irish or welsh mp can vote on anything that involves ENGLAND,wiping out the LABOUR vote in an instance,good mve by BIG DAVE if the other parties dont vote for it they will be looked on as the bad guys,LABOUR were the only party really that was bothered if Scotland left,but for their own selfish reasons,come next year they will be decimated,and we will have another term of proper government.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Next year's election will be awkward for the Scots.
Many SNP supporters generally vote Labour as a tactic to stop the Torys.
Now they may vote SNP which will increase the SNP tally and weaken Labour and probably let in a couple of more Tory MP's.

Can't see a great deal of support for Milliband as Labour leader from Scotland.

 

[User62651]

Scotland - 45% wanted away but I think some of that is a protest vote at all Westminster govts since the 1980's knowing No would win anyway which is a dangerous game to play if you don't really want to leave UK. Biggest concerns going into General Election must be for Milliband and Labour and less so Clegg and Lib Dems rather than Camerons Tories or Salmonds SNP. Milliband hasn't really been seen or heard since wandering through a mall a week ago, appeared toothless and weak and had his thunder stolen by Broon. Core Labour areas were the only ones voting Yes as a majority yesterday, places where Tories are stronger like Aberdeenshire, Borders, Galloway went fairly strongly No. Conservative share of ca 20% will hold steady without getting any more MP's. LibDems are in a poor position through coalition and may lose some MP's in Scotland. All adds up to people in Scotland looking at the options come spring 2015 and either not bothering to vote as all choices are seen as poor or voting SNP (despite them losing yesterday) as the only option to keep the agenda for Scotland at the forefront.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Next year's election will be awkward for the Scots.
Many SNP supporters generally vote Labour as a tactic to stop the Torys.
Now they may vote SNP which will increase the SNP tally and weaken Labour and probably let in a couple of more Tory MP's.

Can't see a great deal of support for Milliband as Labour leader from Scotland.

I cannot see the benefits to England in what Cameron is proposing.
They really need a separate English Westminster parliament like Scotland and as I said much earlier a greatly reduced British Parliament based somewhere like Preston.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I cannot see the benefits to England in what Cameron is proposing.
They really need a separate English Westminster parliament like Scotland and as I said much earlier a greatly reduced British Parliament based somewhere like Preston.

Why would they base it in Preston?

Also, Cameron has only vaguely referenced proposals. At least wait until you hear exactly what is being proposed!!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

It is central to the UK [and not the tainted London]

As stated about 6 months ago.

I would get a big rubber and pencil and start again.

Six English devolved regions. NE,NW, Midlands,SE,SW and London. plus Scotland Wales and NI.
Greatly reduced National Parliament with elected second chamber. MP's based on the population of the regions.

 

[bluewolf]

It is central to the UK [and not the tainted London]

As stated about 6 months ago.

I would get a big rubber and pencil and start again.

Six English devolved regions. NE,NW, Midlands,SE,SW and London. plus Scotland Wales and NI.
Greatly reduced National Parliament with elected second chamber. MP's based on the population of the regions.

That would get my vote, but I think Manchester and Lancaster would be ahead of Preston in the race for the NW seat of power..

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That would get my vote, but I think Manchester and Lancaster would be ahead of Preston in the race for the NW seat of power..

Oh no, I nabbed Preston for the new home of the new British parliament.

 

[Liverbirdie]

it may not bother us in ENGLAND who they vote for if the devo max idea is floated,a condition of which the CONSERVATIVE party is going to put in will be NO Scottish Irish or welsh mp can vote on anything that involves ENGLAND,wiping out the LABOUR vote in an instance,good mve by BIG DAVE if the other parties dont vote for it they will be looked on as the bad guys,LABOUR were the only party really that was bothered if Scotland left,but for their own selfish reasons,come next year they will be decimated,and we will have another term of proper government.

Yes,many more years of a north south divide then......

 

[bluewolf]

Yes,many more years of a north south divide then......

It won't be a divide mate. It'll be a bloody great chasm. There won't be a Tory manifesto, just a copy of Brave New World for every citizen!!