Golf Random Irritations

[Lucifer MorningStar]

No, I still don't agree with the bold - if you can move things around to play at weekends it gives you at least 8 or 9 dates to choose from, it should be plenty. People who can't play at weekends are the ones causing a problem and who probably shouldn't be entering.

That's obviously fair for you to not enter if you don't even know which days you'll be working.

That’s an extremely self centred view of you to say it’s those who want a midweek date are the problem , are the ones that should move to accommodate or are the ones causing the problems.

If the competition is open to everyone then everyone needs to be equally flexible not just those who prefer midweek. To expect otherwise is selfish. If the comp states offer 3 dates but 2 must be weekends, that suggests the 3rd options entitled to be in the week so flexibility is required on both parts.

 

[KenL]

Probably not thinking straight today but why isn’t matchplay comps simply allocated to a selection of reserved tee times on predetermined dates/days for each round

Bit like the fa cup etc, round 3 ties will be played weekend of the Xth
All round dates are known before entering, so if you're on hols/working etc then its not for you

Then start time is the only thing to agree between opponents for the preferred day/date,

Time to wake up and think straight.
Would not encourage entry and potentially waste tee times.

 

[Slab]

What if people can’t make those days and times ,

I have never had too many issues

Just needs a bit of common sense and flexibility

But isn't that the same as , what if you cant make dates/times for monthly medal? What's so special about matchplay

 

[Orikoru]

That’s an extremely self centred view of you to say it’s those who want a midweek date are the problem , are the ones that should move to accommodate or are the ones causing the problems.

If the competition is open to everyone then everyone needs to be equally flexible not just those who prefer midweek. To expect otherwise is selfish. If the comp states offer 3 dates but 2 must be weekends, that suggests the 3rd options entitled to be in the week so flexibility is required on both parts.

It's not selfish it's common sense. Not everyone fits this profile of course, but traditionally Monday to Friday are working days and Saturday Sunday are recreational days when you'd expect to play golf if you have a full time job. When I have a match to arrange I will look through my weekends and offer my available Saturdays and Sundays first. If they say no to all of them then we'll start to look at weekdays and how we can make it work.

 

[Orikoru]

But isn't that the same as , what if you cant make dates/times for monthly medal? What's so special about matchplay

What are you talking about? There will only be a couple of matchplays to enter each year and a lot of people like to enter them because matchplay is enjoyable. A monthly medal happens every month, and if you can't play that day then you just don't enter it, there's another competition the following week you can enter instead. It's not the same thing.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

But isn't that the same as , what if you cant make dates/times for monthly medal? What's so special about matchplay

Well a medal etc is just one single day comp and normally has 100 plus entries etc

What if you can’t make just a single round but can make all the other rounds

 

[Slab]

Time to wake up and think straight.
Would not encourage entry and potentially waste tee times.

So just for devils whotsit, are date defined medals, swindles roll ups etc all poorly attended and wasting tee times

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

It's not selfish it's common sense. Not everyone fits this profile of course, but traditionally Monday to Friday are working days and Saturday Sunday are recreational days when you'd expect to play golf if you have a full time job. When I have a match to arrange I will look through my weekends and offer my available Saturdays and Sundays first. If they say no to all of them then we'll start to look at weekdays and how we can make it work.

You’re confusing common sense with selfishness imo.

People who can't play at weekends are the ones causing a problem and who probably shouldn't be entering

That’s your exact words. That is a selfish comment blaming them for being the issue and they’re the ones who shouldn’t enter . Flexibility goes both ways.

Nothing to do with traditional working week, people have other commitments so to say they are the problem is in itself not common sense but self entitled and selfish.

Like I said it goes both ways in these comps people need to be as flexible as each other. I’ve just arranged mine I’ve offered 2 weekends and a weekday evening post 5pm. Because it’s fair to myself and them that way not all in my favour.

 

[Orikoru]

You’re confusing common sense with selfishness imo.



That’s your exact words. That is a selfish comment blaming them for being the issue and they’re the ones who shouldn’t enter . Flexibility goes both ways.

Nothing to do with traditional working week, people have other commitments so to say they are the problem is in itself not common sense but self entitled and selfish.

Like I said it goes both ways in these comps people need to be as flexible as each other. I’ve just arranged mine I’ve offered 2 weekends and a a weekday evening post 5pm. Because it’s fair to myself and them that way not all in my favour.

People shouldn't be having to use leave from work to play matches. If you literally can't play any weekend dates then I think that is selfish to enter the knockouts when it disregards those who work. I would never say I cannot play weekdays, I would try and work something out if needed. But weekend dates should be the primary ones offered. That is most people's recreational time, as I said.

 

[Slab]

What are you talking about? There will only be a couple of matchplays to enter each year and a lot of people like to enter them because matchplay is enjoyable. A monthly medal happens every month, and if you can't play that day then you just don't enter it, there's another competition the following week you can enter instead. It's not the same thing.

Ok substitute to 'board comps' / cups or whatever your club does, not so many of those each year, and matchplay aside they'll likely be on defined date/s

Point is, match play is fun, but ppl are moaning about matchplay. To me those two things don't automatically go together to describe enjoyment

 

[Orikoru]

Ok substitute to 'board comps' / cups or whatever your club does, not so many of those each year, and matchplay aside they'll likely be on defined date/s

Point is, match play is fun, but ppl are moaning about matchplay. To me those two things don't automatically go together to describe enjoyment

That is one competition on one date you might unfortunately have to miss. In your knockout proposal there could be six rounds so that is six dates you have to guarantee availability on before you can enter it. A very different proposition.

 

[Slab]

That is one competition on one date you might unfortunately have to miss. In your knockout proposal there could be six rounds so that is six dates you have to guarantee availability on before you can enter it. A very different proposition.

Oh ok you mean like an Order of Merit comp

 

[Arthur Wedge]

So just for devils whotsit, are date defined medals, swindles roll ups etc all poorly attended and wasting tee times

I think it’s a little different when looking at strokeplay comps where it’s a single day entry and a tee is booked out to matchplay comps where it’s multi rounds

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

People shouldn't be having to use leave from work to play matches. If you literally can't play any weekend dates then I think that is selfish to enter the knockouts when it disregards those who work. I would never say I cannot play weekdays, I would try and work something out if needed. But weekend dates should be the primary ones offered. That is most people's recreational time, as I said.

We’re not going to agree as you’re being extremely one sided. You’re happy to acknowledge only being willing to play weekdays is selfish but not those only being willing to do weekends as selfish.

You can’t have it both ways. Different people have different Commitments regardless of what is deemed most people’s recreational time, That’s why I’ve said flexibility has to go both ways. I’m not advocating people have to use annual leave but people have to accept they can’t have it their own way.

On that note I’ve nothing frother to add without going in circles. So wish you luck with your matches.

 

[KenL]

So just for devils whotsit, are date defined medals, swindles roll ups etc all poorly attended and wasting tee times

Of course not, totally different.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

People shouldn't be having to use leave from work to play matches. If you literally can't play any weekend dates then I think that is selfish to enter the knockouts when it disregards those who work. I would never say I cannot play weekdays, I would try and work something out if needed. But weekend dates should be the primary ones offered. That is most people's recreational time, as I said.

It’s always worth remembering that many people’s work life isn’t just mon to Fri and a lot of people work weekends

 

[SteveW86]

People shouldn't be having to use leave from work to play matches. If you literally can't play any weekend dates then I think that is selfish to enter the knockouts when it disregards those who work. I would never say I cannot play weekdays, I would try and work something out if needed. But weekend dates should be the primary ones offered. That is most people's recreational time, as I said.

How much annual leave do you get Olly?

 

[Slab]

I think it’s a little different when looking at strokeplay comps where it’s a single day entry and a tee is booked out to matchplay comps where it’s multi rounds

Yeah I get it, I’m just saying some ppl are not entering because of the difficulties, some ppl who do enter moan about the difficulties

I have no idea what ratio ‘some’ is but if its enough then some form of adaptation or change is the only way forward because it's a shame that ppl aren't entering simply because arranging to play a match is enough of a hassle to make them walk away

Is 'some' just a tiny minority or is the issue bigger than that. It sounds bigger on the forum at least but that's not really a suitable measure

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yeah I get it, I’m just saying some ppl are not entering because of the difficulties, some ppl who do enter moan about the difficulties

I have no idea what ratio ‘some’ is but if its enough then some form of adaptation or change is the only way forward because it's a shame that ppl aren't entering simply because arranging to play a match is enough of a hassle to make them walk away

Is 'some' just a tiny minority or is the issue bigger than that. It sounds bigger on the forum at least but that's not really a suitable measure

When I administer our KO’s I reckon it’s a best it’s 2/3 matches that struggle to get arranged

Out of 12 comps and hundreds of matches I reckon it’s not too much of an issue

 

[irip]

People shouldn't be having to use leave from work to play matches. If you literally can't play any weekend dates then I think that is selfish to enter the knockouts when it disregards those who work. I would never say I cannot play weekdays, I would try and work something out if needed. But weekend dates should be the primary ones offered. That is most people's recreational time, as I said.

What happens if someone only works weekends?
Someone has to then take leave.
You could say you are only offering 2 days a week but they are offering 5 so they are making more effort than you are.
The key thing is people trying to play and doing there best to be flexible rather than someone who is trying to be awkward.

Personally I have never had a problem moving things around if possible.
The only time I have ever refused to play is Sunday before 14.00 as that was always my time with the family when the kids were young.