sunshine
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I think you’re right, just trying to talk American. Everything is bigger in America, including bodies of water.
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chellie
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Yep, but like Royal Lytham you can't see the sea from the course.
Tashyboy
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Talking to a PP on Tuesday, he was on about our pro/ club shop.He said he is never going into the shop again. His reason. He collected £115 worth of vouchers he had won over the season. He didn’t see anything he fancied so chucked the vouchers in his back pocket, had a pint and went home. Chucked all his clothes in the washer and washed his paper vouchers. Called into the shop and explained what had happened and was told by the pro “ There’s nothing he can do”. Suffice to say said PP is livid.
IanM
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Club Pro? He's a member? Surely they know what they've issued and to whom.
I'd be taking this up with the General Manager, or whoever is the equivalent at the club. Blimey, I'd report him to the PGA.
Actually, this sounds daft, I've not seen paper vouchers since the 1980s.
I'd be taking this up with the General Manager, or whoever is the equivalent at the club. Blimey, I'd report him to the PGA.
Actually, this sounds daft, I've not seen paper vouchers since the 1980s.
SteveJay
Head Pro
Both St Anne's Old Links & Lytham have land, sand dunes and houses between the course and the sea, so no sea views at all. On the Fylde Coast it is only my own club, Fleetwood, which is adjacent to the sea & beach, but even there the sea is not always fully visible due to the sea defence wall.
KenL
Tour Rookie
I received one for a present from a club I’m not a member of last week.
Tashyboy
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So when I joined the club over 10 years ago. The club is privately owned. However the facitlites were poor. The pro at the club approached the owner and said I will build a new shop and driving range, but the money goes to me and a small percentage to you. As part of that agreement all winnings from club comps had to be spent in the pro shop only and not the 19th hole which is owned by the club. Since day one, all winnings were paid out on paper vouchers for the club shop. And to make matters worse, there was a six month limit on the vouchers. So if they are outta date you have to see who is behind the counter as some will overlook this and some won’t.
It’s a dinosaur way of running a business and a lot of the golfers at the club are not happy about it.
Another thing that narked folk when it first came out. When you won or came runner up in a stableford or Medal comp you qualified for the final. It was free. Now they class it as the first qualifying comp for the following season, so you have to pay
LincolnShep
Head Pro
Sounds like a great arrangement for the pro. Lots of people will forget to spend their vouchers, or lose them, or put them through the washing machine and he gets away with it.So when I joined the club over 10 years ago. The club is privately owned. However the facitlites were poor. The pro at the club approached the owner and said I will build a new shop and driving range, but the money goes to me and a small percentage to you. As part of that agreement all winnings from club comps had to be spent in the pro shop only and not the 19th hole which is owned by the club. Since day one, all winnings were paid out on paper vouchers for the club shop. And to make matters worse, there was a six month limit on the vouchers. So if they are outta date you have to see who is behind the counter as some will overlook this and some won’t.
It’s a dinosaur way of running a business and a lot of the golfers at the club are not happy about it.
Another thing that narked folk when it first came out. When you won or came runner up in a stableford or Medal comp you qualified for the final. It was free. Now they class it as the first qualifying comp for the following season, so you have to pay
Are the members buying the vouchers from the pro with competition entry fees? I was treasurer at a club that didn't have a pro shop and we bought High Street vouchers as prizes (American Golf being one of the many brands they could be spent at).
Tashyboy
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To the best of my knowledge I don’t know of one person who buys vouchers from the shop. When he first opened he was competitive. Not so now. A PP was fitted for some Cobras about three years ago, he paid just south of £1,000 for what he bought ( irons and a wood if memory serves me right).Three weeks later the new models came out and his clubs dropped about £350. He was livid with the pro for not saying the new ones were coming within a month. He was just as mad with himself for not doing proper research.
LincolnShep
Head Pro
I meant the vouchers that are given out as prizes. Who is paying for them? Or does the pro just donate them?
Neilds
Assistant Pro
I would suspect the pro takes the entry money and uses that for the vouchers - he wins both ways when people don't spend the vouchers.
Tashyboy
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Nope. The vouchers are the prize money from Folk who have entered the comps. Everyone pays £5 to enter comps. (£1 inc for twos comp). Of that £4, some is prize money, some goes to club and some goes to him Toward's paying for staff in the shop
As they are providing a service for the club.
cliveb
Head Pro
Surely the pro or the club must have a record of vouchers issued, in which case lost/damaged ones can be replaced.
If there is no record other than the physical voucher itself, the entire system is vulnerable to forgeries. (And given the pro's attitude, one could argue that he deserves to be the victim of such forgeries).
If there is no record other than the physical voucher itself, the entire system is vulnerable to forgeries. (And given the pro's attitude, one could argue that he deserves to be the victim of such forgeries).
LincolnShep
Head Pro
If the members don't like the prizes, could the committee decide not to give the pro the prize money portion of the entry fees? Spend that money on vouchers from elsewhere and give them out instead.Nope. The vouchers are the prize money from Folk who have entered the comps. Everyone pays £5 to enter comps. (£1 inc for twos comp). Of that £4, some is prize money, some goes to club and some goes to him Toward's paying for staff in the shop
As they are providing a service for the club.
I might not be making sense as the only club where I've been involved with the committee didn't have a pro shop, so the committee had a free hand in deciding what to give out as prizes.
KenL
Tour Rookie
Anyone buying golf clubs should do a bit research. New clubs are released every year by most manufacturers. They are not always better.
AussieKB
Well-known member
Agree.....some release two driver's in the same year.
Tashyboy
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Unfortunately there’s not a cat in hells chance of that happening. One of The main provisos was comp prizes are vouchers from his shop. I could be out of term for saying this, but the committee seem very very clicky and don’t want to upset the Apple cart. Is it the same at most places. The owner of the club/ course although elderly and nice is a tight fisted old sod. I think he thought all his dreams had come true when he saw an improved club shop and range. As a multi millionaire a lot of folk were gobsmacked he never built the places himself and recouped the profits himself.
Some of the staff that have left the club and gone elsewhere have gone from strength to strength. One has the head greenkeepers job at Tapton and has put his own stamp on the course. Apparently the difference is immense. But as assistant keeper at our place his ideas fell on deaf ears. Another has a head pros job at another top course, he is flourishing and his forward thinking helps to get funding for girls, women’s golf and improvements to the course. It just seems the in house mentality of the click kinda stifle the club moving forward. That photo of our temp green on the par three sums our place up. They are doing up the bunkers which are always waterlogged in winter and have been ever since I have been a member. The work has been in place for months. So why not prepare temp greens. It’s only my opinion but putting out with a pitching wedge 3 ft from the pin is rammel. Oddly enough the club got club of the year in 2016 ish I think it was but those folk have now gone.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the place, but a lot of that enjoyment is the fuddle I play in. I could enjoy myself on a crazy golf course with them lot.
MACM85
Newbie
What is interesting is that at my club the money from competitions etc are done via the pro shop. However if you get a 2 or winnings then it is put on the pro shop account where you can just ask what the balance is. Seems some what outdated to hand out actual vouchers.
Tashyboy
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He said that himself when he realised they had come out. And he was told that by his mates. His problem is, he is very impulsive when it’s comes to buying. Once he has an idea he is off. Re me, if I am buying irons it is a Major outlay and I look look look for months, I eventually drove from Mansfield to Daventry GC to pick up mine. The savings were fantastic, however my savings went on a G 430 driver whilst I was there
I had been looking at those but could only really afford one or the other. Missis T persuaded me to get the driver as well. She’s a keeper 
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Dam shame the fella didn’t check his pockets, I bet we’ve all done it from time to time (I know I have) but normally doesn’t cost us much, but is the devil in the detail for this unfortunate incident?
i.e the vouchers (how many) were accumulated from different times throughout the season, so some are perhaps many months old already
they likely had a ref number on each for the pro-shop to track redemption etc (to prevent simple photocopying & duplicate use) but it doesn’t mean that the PP was noted by name as the recipient on those specific vouchers.
For example, when our club hands a voucher out as a prize it ‘entitles the bearer to xyz’ as vouchers will be created well in advance of a comp meaning the winners are unknown.
So in our case the pro shop would have no idea exactly which vouchers were destroyed, to what value of each nor who actually won those specific ones and consequently no way to validate simply replacing them either (other than the word of the player saying that they were destroyed)
(the unlikely and worst case hypothetical scenario is; an unscrupulous fella says 100bucks of vouchers destroyed, gets replacement from pro-shop and spends them, the players equally unscrupulous mate comes in next week and spends the original 100 bucks of vouchers & pro shop is 100 down)
Not saying the pro shop should do nothing but I can easily see why they might take the stance they have, shame really
edit: not taking sides just a bit of devils wotsit
