KenL
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My random golf irritation is just golf. I’m playing so badly at the minute. Driving great, putting fine, everything else is back. 
Golf Random Irritations
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D-S
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Another 5 players putting in GP cards whilst playing an Open Bowmaker yesterday. All visitors, some igolf some from local clubs - mix of low and high handicappers. A couple of the cards were attested by people they weren't playing with.
Sigh.
Sigh.
IanM
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So can you cancel them?
Slab
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Having to write down 6 for my score yesterday on a short par 3 
D-S
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Yes we can delete them and will.
Also we will write to the cubs involved and advise them of what we have done and why. Its all a bit of a faff.
I'm fairly certain a lot of clubs don't bother/care. I can only imagine the numbers unacceptable scores for handicap that are being entered (and not deleted) on golfers' records on a daily basis.
irip
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I’m a bit late to whs but if I played a game with 3 lads who were just social golfers without official handicaps could they sign for my score?
Or if a player with a proper handicap played in the group behind could they?
D-S
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Unless they have the EG app and are a member of iGolf or iPlay then they cannot attest a score that is created on the EG app.
Dependent on the rules that have been instigated at your club re who is an acceptable marker, they may be able to attest a GP score created on your Clib’s handicapping software .
No one can (or at least should) attest a score for you unless they are playing with you.
irip
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Cheers for the reply.
There are a few of us who have a game a couple of times a year.
A couple of the players have asked if they can be out with someone who can mark their card and it often gets a few raised eyebrows as people wanting to play with their mates and to be honest they have not explained it very well.
I can explain to the rest of the group now or wind them up worse depending on my mood
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Good to hear. Too many clubs seem to have surrendered their responsibilities to "the app!"
Good to hear. Too many clubs seem to have surrendered their responsibilities to "the app!"
srixon 1
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The golf course that I played in Gwent today. 
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track.woofers
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Interesting.
I have had similar issues with away players putting in scores from non acceptable formats, our 4BBB opens and instances where the attester wasn’t named on the tee sheet. Last year I just deleted the scores, however I raised the issue at the local WHS workshop and asked what the best approach should be, as in “who owns a players handicap record”. As you have done, the EG rep suggested I write to the players club setting out the issue and requesting them to educate the player, so I have done this and also asked if they would delete the score or should I? (Not always easy to find the contact details for some, mostly proprietary, clubs).
The response from the various clubs been very mixed. One secretary was adamant that their players wouldn’t be breaking the rules, another didn’t understand that only 4BBB competition scores were eligible, some didn’t reply at all and did nothing (I did), some actioned but didn’t reply and a minority said thanks for bringing it to our attention we will deal with it.
England Golf (Igolf) didn’t really want to know, despite providing them with screenshot evidence that the attester wasn’t on the tee sheet they suggested the attester could have been present but not played although they acknowledged it was unlikely as this occurred 3 times and could I follow it up. My answer to that was “he’s your member and you have his contact details so perhaps you could do it”. I don’t think anything happened. They said they would take this issue (remote attestation) to a governance meeting and geo location for attesters “is coming” but they can’t say when.
If England Golf want me to believe that Igolf handicapping is run with integrity they have some way to go.
D-S
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Couldn’t agree more with your comments about the broad spectrum of replies from clubs and it is indicative of the huge variance in knowledge, experience and diligence across clubs.
But where your post really resonates is your experience of iGolf management. We have had many rogue scores from iGolfers and the responses from the administrators ther has been slow, poor and sometimes almost insulting. For example we had an iGolfer submit a score at our course attested by another that was close to our course record (the fourth score on his record all from the last couple of weeks and all below par at various clubs in different parts of the country). There was no record of any green fee paid or tee time booked on a very busy day. We advised iGolf and they said that no green fee or tee time did not mean that the the round wasn’t played. We showed them our records, advised we had a Marshall present, suggested they investigated the other dubious rounds. They refused, we then offered them our 1st tee webcam footage should they need it. They said eventually that they would check with the player, we chased a few times, eventually (some months had gone by) they came back and said they couldn’t reach the player and would delete the score. They then didn’t, a further month or so later we pushed the issue considerably further up the EG chain and got the score deleted. Most of our other interactions with them have been equally disappointing. My faith in the iGolf competency in the management of handicaps is sadly just about non existent
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D-S
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The one I played in Monmouthshire yesterday was nigh on unplayable due to the ‘firm’ ground conditions.The golf course that I played in Gwent today.
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And neither of you called in for a coffee!
Can't remember the last time it rained in Monmouthshire or Gwent to be honest. Even Celtic Manor is dry!
Playing a Seniors Match on the Roman Road tomorrow. After a week at Macrihanish etc, I'm not looking forward to it.
Can't remember the last time it rained in Monmouthshire or Gwent to be honest. Even Celtic Manor is dry!
Playing a Seniors Match on the Roman Road tomorrow. After a week at Macrihanish etc, I'm not looking forward to it.
D-S
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The course I played was Woodlake Park and the reservoir it overlooked is 25 metres below its level when full.
There are a lot of side slopes there which aren’t the best in rock hard conditions. Rarely have I seen so many balls careering across fairways into ditches and hedges - not much fun really.
There are a lot of side slopes there which aren’t the best in rock hard conditions. Rarely have I seen so many balls careering across fairways into ditches and hedges - not much fun really.
IanM
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That would be Llandegfedd Reservoir.
Woodlake usually has good greens, although the 2nd is the maddest hole in Wales. Even daft in the winter, goodness knows what you do if it's bone hard
srixon 1
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Pontypool. Nuff said.Do tell!
Neilds
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Don’t like to hear that. We have our work society champs there next month so hope we have a lot of rain before then to soften the course.
srixon 1
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Same as above with Ref to Woodlake Park. Pontypool is built on the side of a massive hill. If you are not going across the slopes you are going up and down them. Brutal with rock hard fairways and tiny greens.
