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Doon frae Troon said:
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I just have a good old laugh at the minority Scottish parties continually banging on a great deal more about the SNP continually banging on about independence.
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Is it a bad thing for any party to highlight the good and the bad. Or don't you want the truth colouring the landscape. Remind us of how much the lauded, rightly so, Scottish education system has fallen in recent years.

The SNP have some great, caring policies but to quote others, they need to get on with the day job. And, again, the stats are all out there about how much time the SNP spends talking about independence and how much time is spent on the problems that are in front of the Scottish people NOW!

Education and the Scottish NHS fall under the remit of the Scottish Parliament. How about explaining why the SNP blame Westminster for a drop in funding when its the SNP's responsibility to allocate the funding?

Oh but we daren't talk about the failings of the precious SNP because that would be unfair to the teeny weeny party.
 
Hobbit said:
Is it a bad thing for any party to highlight the good and the bad. Or don't you want the truth colouring the landscape. Remind us of how much the lauded, rightly so, Scottish education system has fallen in recent years.

The SNP have some great, caring policies but to quote others, they need to get on with the day job. And, again, the stats are all out there about how much time the SNP spends talking about independence and how much time is spent on the problems that are in front of the Scottish people NOW!

Education and the Scottish NHS fall under the remit of the Scottish Parliament. How about explaining why the SNP blame Westminster for a drop in funding when its the SNP's responsibility to allocate the funding?

Oh but we daren't talk about the failings of the precious SNP because that would be unfair to the teeny weeny party.
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The SNP spend too much time responding to questions from wee Ruthie and Kezia about Indyref2 and indepedence in general. Maybe if Labour and the Tories (especially) in Scotland would shut up about it, the SNP could get on with sorting Scottish Education.
 
Hobbit said:
I read a political autobiography many years ago about an ex-PM. In it he said one of the hardest things for any leading politician to do is to put aside their personal opinions and to reflect the wishes of the people. May may have been a Remainer in the run up to the referendum, and following the party whip, but I don't expect her to do anything other than what she is doing now. In fact, I'd be very disappointed in her if she did any different. However, if she'd become a backbencher I would expect her to have carried being a Remainer.

I'm surprised you don't understand that concept, or does it not satisfy your understanding of senior management. On a personal level, you must have enacted company policy you disagreed with...
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Yes I do comply with company policy I have to adhere to. The point is that I do not have a choice. Not only does Mauy have a choice - she is driving the policy. And for Brexit the policy does not NEED to be a clean and absolute severing of ties with the EU and it's associated governance bodies.
 
SocketRocket said:
You are completely wrong here. During the referendum she was very quiet and said very little about Brexit. She was a senior cabinet member and as such has to abide by collective responsibility. After the vote she has accepted the majority will of the people which is the right thing to do, if she didn't she should return to the back benches to fester over the vote. Shes not like you, you are rabid in your hatred for people with a different view, you will not or can not accept your view lost and now you should accept it. I have voted for the losing side in many elections but I didnt spend most of my waking hours ranting on about it. Calling her a 'Liar' is wrong.
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I am completely wrong? You are having a laugh - and you do make good jokes.

You know very well that, regardless of how much she said prior to the vote, she was ABSOLUTELY 100% against Leaving - no ifs, no buts, no caveats. May was 100% against Leaving and very clear about the damage that the UK would sustain. What is it about that that you deny?

And to compare this Referendum as if it were a GE - something that can be changed in 4-5 years time is fatuous - and you know it. You know exactly why those who voted to Remain are concerned and will not shut up. Because the Great British Public (whose will you venerate unless it might change it's mind) will not be able to change it's decision 5 yrs down the line - we are likely stuck with the decision for many decades.

And as an aside - I am not rabid and I hate no-body. Please stop using such inflammatory language directed at me as an individual. You are showing yourself up - you should be embarrassed and ashamed.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The SNP spend too much time responding to questions from wee Ruthie and Kezia about Indyref2 and indepedence in general. Maybe if Labour and the Tories (especially) in Scotland would shut up about it, the SNP could get on with sorting Scottish Education.
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Well, I've just split my sides laughing at that response. Its the Labour and Tories fault that the SNP haven't got the time run the country... do you honestly believe that? That is so laughable in the extreme.

So maybe its all the other parties fault that the Tories have called an election... its like a sketch from Monty Python's Life of Brian when the suicide squad kill themselves and say "that showed 'em."

Well, if you believe that there's no arguing with you... crikey, you need some serious counselling if you believe that.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The SNP spend too much time responding to questions from wee Ruthie and Kezia about Indyref2 and indepedence in general. Maybe if Labour and the Tories (especially) in Scotland would shut up about it, the SNP could get on with sorting Scottish Education.
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:ooo:

They could, of course, very quickly end that line of questioning and get back to wrecking our education system.
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
Are you honestly saying this, seriously?
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I sprayed tea over my keyboard when I read the original comment. Nicola is to Scottish independence what Farage was to leaving the EU. It is 90% of her comments. SNP supporters can't complain when others start to take her on about the same subject. Well, they can but they will look very silly. Now to find some dry wipes to sort this keyboard out.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I sprayed tea over my keyboard when I read the original comment. Nicola is to Scottish independence what Farage was to leaving the EU. It is 90% of her comments. SNP supporters can't complain when others start to take her on about the same subject. Well, they can but they will look very silly. Now to find some dry wipes to sort this keyboard out.
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It certainly goes a long way to explaining his mindset in other political threads...
 
Hobbit said:
It certainly goes a long way to explaining his mindset in other political threads...
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If this is aimed at me I'm not sure about the mindset.

And in case it missed anyone - it is an observation or accusation I hear or read often - that the opposition parties talk about Indyref2 as much as the SNP. I'm not making that up - I'm just repeating what I have seen and heard, it may or may not be true. Quizzing the SNP over Independence and Indyref2 is fine as that's what the SNP is about. They need to be pressed on it. But don't complain about the SNP then talking Indyref2 in response to questions from the opposition and at the same time criticise them for not spending more time in the governing of the country.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
If this is aimed at me I'm not sure about the mindset.

And in case it missed anyone - it is an observation or accusation I hear or read often - that the opposition parties talk about Indyref2 as much as the SNP. I'm not making that up - I'm just repeating what I have seen and heard, it may or may not be true. Quizzing the SNP over Independence and Indyref2 is fine as that's what the SNP is about. They need to be pressed on it. But don't complain about the SNP then talking Indyref2 in response to questions from the opposition and at the same time criticise them for not spending more time in the governing of the country.
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Of course it is. Now come and have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit.
 
chrisd said:
When they get independence will they disappear like UKIP?
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You could be right.
On Thursdays QT Emily Thornberry looked totally stumped for a reply to the young woman saying.

'I would love to vote for you [Labour] but I want Independence for Scotland, so I reluctantly vote for the SNP.'

I am sure she is not alone.
Mind you it is not helped that SLab have an even less electable leader than the UK Labour Party do.
 
Hobbit said:
It certainly goes a long way to explaining his mindset in other political threads...
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Hey steady on, I know you watch Scottish FMQ and other Holyrood bits so you must know that there is an element of truth about Hogan's comment.
The others on here who do not follow Holyrood streaming .......well its just the usual anti Scots gum bumping exercise.:angry:
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Strange you should say that as yet another Tory 'general election' leaflet is dropped through my letter box.
Guess what it is all about.....Say no to Scottish Independence:whistle:
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Maybe the SNP should just ignore it as it is a waste of their governing time responding to the Tories talking about Independence.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
You could be right.
On Thursdays QT Emily Thornberry looked totally stumped for a reply to the young woman saying.

'I would love to vote for you [Labour] but I want Independence for Scotland, so I reluctantly vote for the SNP.'

I am sure she is not alone.
Mind you it is not helped that SLab have an even less electable leader than the UK Labour Party do.
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How can you possibly say such a thing about The Kezia - though she does struggle to make an impact - she can't even claim to be the only LBGTQ party leader in Scotland, damn.

Actually I don't mind Kezia or Ruthie at all, and think it is a true sign of progressive politics when three of the leaders of the main political parties in Scotland are women, and three are members of the LGBTQ community (though not the same three :) )
 
Hobbit said:
Of course it is. Now come and have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit.
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thankyou - I'm just sitting down with Mrs SiLH to have a tea and a biscuit as she had some good news this pm and the news is a great relief to us both. Heartfelt thanks are due to the NHS for responding to her concerns so quickly :)
 
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