Ge 2017

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Anyway...

Taxation - do you believe a Conservative Government will not raise income tax for the period 2017-2022?

Will the fixed term Parliament Act be rescinded?

Should a Tory Government seek a further mandate from the electorate in a Sept 2019 GE if the outcome of the Brexit negotiations is No Deal, and the government finds itself faced with significant hole in it's budget and has to make the case for tax increases to fill the fiscal hole.

All these and many more will most probably remain unanswered.
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a) No, raising tax should be something any Government may do where considered absolutely necessary but only as a last resort.

b)Not sure, cant see the problem. As we have just witnessed, it has a get out clause if enough MPs agree.

c)To the first part of the question : 'No' There is no need for further mandates, as long as we leave the EU the mandate has been enacted. The second part of that question was asked in the first question you made.

d) Seems a silly comment.
 
It is pretty clear that the Tory strategy is to say as little as possible about policies unless it is to do with Brexit. Can't say I blame them as as the phrase goes, it is theirs to lose. But it is a bit depressing as once they get in again they will feel they have a mandate to reek all sorts of havoc on the public sector, state schools, the NHS and anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves needing a bit of assistance, and the public are sleepwalking into letting them.

I'd like to think, especially in the new supposed golden era of isolationism, the Uk deserves a better quality of leader and opposition. But it seems not.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
It is pretty clear that the Tory strategy is to say as little as possible about policies unless it is to do with Brexit. Can't say I blame them as as the phrase goes, it is theirs to lose. But it is a bit depressing as once they get in again they will feel they have a mandate to reek all sorts of havoc on the public sector, state schools, the NHS and anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves needing a bit of assistance, and the public are sleepwalking into letting them.

I'd like to think, especially in the new golden era of isolationism, the Uk deserves a better quality of leader and opposition. But it seems not.
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Do you mean Corbyn and his motley crew. Do us a favor and get real !

"have a mandate to reek all sorts of havoc on the public sector, state schools, the NHS and anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves needing a bit of assistance" Oh dear! Haaa Haaaaaaaaaa, Just a minute, Haaaaaaaaaa, my sides are splitting, Oh dear, Oh deary me. :rofl:
 
Playing Devil's advocate here but isn't Theresa May putting her personal opinions to one side and doing what the majority wanted when they voted to leave the EU?
 
ColchesterFC said:
Playing Devil's advocate here but isn't Theresa May putting her personal opinions to one side and doing what the majority wanted when they voted to leave the EU?
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Yes, but that dos'nt sit well with remainers who insist we did'nt really know what we were voting for. We'll see if the 17 million of us that voted for brexit change their minds, now we've had a while to think about it. Or whether we all vote vote Tory so May can carry it through. If there is such a backlash against brexit (other than in the minds of rabid remainers), this is where we will see it.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Playing Devil's advocate here but isn't Theresa May putting her personal opinions to one side and doing what the majority wanted when they voted to leave the EU?
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She is but many Brexiters would have preferred a leave advocate for PM, would have avoided that unfortunate video and perhaps hers is a reaction to that situation. She is supposed to represent everyone, 52/48 and only 2 of 4 UK countries voting leave is not 'the will of the people'. Just seems out of her depth on so many levels, much of her rhetoric sounds inexperienced, divisive and naive.
She's going to win handsomely come June 8th, we all know that so I hope once that's over she settles into the role of PM better. Tough tough job she has on her hands but she needs to be inclusive of all Britons as best she can, she's becoming more divisive since she took power, hope that changes. Dont think calling GE has helped, was no need really......imho
 
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maxfli65 said:
She is but many Brexiters would have preferred a leave advocate for PM, would have avoided that unfortunate video and perhaps hers is a reaction to that situation. She is supposed to represent everyone, 52/48 and only 2 of 4 UK countries voting leave is not 'the will of the people'. Just seems out of her depth on so many levels, much of her rhetoric sounds inexperienced, divisive and naive.
She's going to win handsomely come June 8th, we all know that so I hope once that's over she settles into the role of PM better. Tough tough job she has on her hands but she needs to be inclusive of all Britons as best she can, she's becoming more divisive since she took power, hope that changes. Dont think calling GE has helped, was no need really......imho
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She has accepted the will of the majority and is committed to carrying out the result. Losers should accept they lost and put their differences behind them just like she has. It's somehow a very sad reflection of our society the way we continue to get all this complaining from those who didn't win. This talk of 2 out of 4 countries is also fiddling with reality, we all know it was a referendum for the UK, not a regional one, what people voted locally is nothing to do with the result, that was always going to be about numbers. I know full well that if the vote had gone the other way as was predicted and any country had voted against the overall result then there would not be this talk of mandates and unfairness.
 
I think calling an election is turning out to be a master stroke, but not for what I thought was the original reason, i,e, hitting Labour when they are at their weakest since the early 80's. It's resulted in Labour declaring their Brexit position in so many areas, and in pretty much all of them Labour are going for the faintest of Brexits.

There's a strong possibility that Labour's stance will drive their centre-ist, hard Brexit voters across to the Tories. No doubt some Tories will vote with Remain in mind, but will they vote Labour or LibDem or...?

Without the election there was always the possibility of the deal brought back to Parliament might struggle, especially as we now know what Labour are aiming for. But with a large majority any Bill, Brexit or otherwise will sail through.
 
SocketRocket said:
She has accepted the will of the majority and is committed to carrying out the result. Losers should accept they lost and put their differences behind them just like she has. It's somehow a very sad reflection of our society the way we continue to get all this complaining from those who didn't win. This talk of 2 out of 4 countries is also fiddling with reality, we all know it was a referendum for the UK, not a regional one, what people voted locally is nothing to do with the result, that was always going to be about numbers. I know full well that if the vote had gone the other way as was predicted and any country had voted against the overall result then there would not be this talk of mandates and unfairness.
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I understand your viewpoint but opposition in life is part and parcel, when you decide you divide.
When Tony Blair won in 1997 I doubt you gave up being a Tory and opposed much of what they brought in? I wouldn't expect you to change views.
If the EU ref vote had gone remain there would have been no or very little change/upheaval unlike now so it's quite different in terms of people accepting - you know what it's like in the EU, we have no idea what its like out, nothing was determined before the vote, only spin from wannabee PMs and Farage.

A healthy opposition is no bad thing, you have to agree with that at least?

There is no greater good from us all 'getting behind Brexit', it's happening we know that and the cliff edge is looming - maybe we'll have wings, maybe we wont.:whistle:

Anyway we're going round in circles.....again;)

I've gotta get off this part of the forum.:angry:
 
maxfli65 said:
I understand your viewpoint but opposition in life is part and parcel, when you decide you divide.
When Tony Blair won in 1997 I doubt you gave up being a Tory and opposed much of what they brought in? I wouldn't expect you to change views.
If the EU ref vote had gone remain there would have been no or very little change/upheaval unlike now so it's quite different in terms of people accepting - you know what it's like in the EU, we have no idea what its like out, nothing was determined before the vote, only spin from wannabee PMs and Farage.

A healthy opposition is no bad thing, you have to agree with that at least?

There is no greater good from us all 'getting behind Brexit', it's happening we know that and the cliff edge is looming - maybe we'll have wings, maybe we wont.:whistle:

Anyway we're going round in circles.....again;)

I've gotta get off this part of the forum.:angry:
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I actually voted twice for Tony Blair.

If the vote had gone remain I would have accepted it and shut up. Honestly I would, experience has taught me not to dwell on the inevitable.

'Cliff edge' is an emotional and exaggerated interpretation of the reality regarding Brexit. The UK will not fall off the edge of a precipice, we are quite able to hold our own and it would be foolish to say that we will not have a number of obstacles to maneuver and it will take time for the results to emanate but IMHO we and our offspring will benefit greatly from us leaving the EU.

Don't go, it's just a debate.
 
MarkE said:
Yes, but that dos'nt sit well with remainers who insist we did'nt really know what we were voting for. We'll see if the 17 million of us that voted for brexit change their minds, now we've had a while to think about it. Or whether we all vote vote Tory so May can carry it through. If there is such a backlash against brexit (other than in the minds of rabid remainers), this is where we will see it.
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Because you didn't - WE didn't. If we knew why the debate about what Brexit will look like (other than out of the EU) and the refusal of the government to tell us what they want to achieve. If we knew what we were voting for beyond leaving the EU then the government wouldn't need to keep telling us that they can't tell us their objectives for Brexit as that would be revealing our hand.

'Rabid Remainers'? come on...if I called out Loony Leavers I'd be castigated for doing so...but to heck with it - it is quite clear that Loony Leavers just can't shut up about pretending they know what Brexit will look like and that somehow it will be Rabid Remainers fault if it goes wrong. Oh stop me laughing as my sides are hurting....
 
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