ColchesterFC
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Just going to leave this here........
Ge 2017
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Not sure why the public sector should be given more billions to waste.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And so what can the Tory Party offer?
More council houses!
Who's going to pay for them?
The Councils!
With what money?
Existing budgets!
But you are cutting their budget?
They can make efficiency savings!
They have?
They can borrow money!
They can't?
So what are the Tories offering us?
A year off work to look after your oldies!
But I can't afford to take a year off work?
Well that's your choice!
So what are the Tories offering us?
No income tax increases!
What? - for the duration of the next government?
We are committed to lowering personal taxation!
So no income tax increases for the duration of the next government?
We are committed to lowering personal taxation!
OK - so what have the Tories got to offer
Net migration in the 10s of thousands!
I thought it was immigration to meet the economic needs of the country? (well that's what my Brexit Guru @SR tells me)
Net migration in the 10s of thousands! That's what The British People voted for!
But non-EU migration in 2016 is 165,000?
Net migration in the 10s of thousands!
Eh?
So what have the Tories got to offer?
Theresa May singing "Strong and Stable" every day until doomsday!
Ah OK - can't question that one. To what tune?
It'll be alright on the night!
So fingers crossed?
Only Phillips...
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Yup - that's it - let's just let our infrastructure and society fall apart - that infrastructure that has been built over the last 100 years through putting our income tax to good use, and when you stop repairing and renewing - what happens? Yes - it falls apart - and it then it doesn't matter if your tax savings and wealth have enabled you to buy a fancy motor - if the roads are full of potholes you ain't going to be able to enjoy it.
And when your hospitals are struggling along chronically short of staff, with the rain coming through the roof - it doesn't matter that you have the wealth of Croesus - because you'll be in the same queue as the rest or paying a fortune for private health insurance - and still queuing in your private hospital waiting room as everyone else with money has done the same.
And in the evenings you remain locked in your house watching your 60" screen because outside the social unrest is too dangerous as lynch mobs tour the streets looking for foreigners to blame.
Will never happen of course - because The Fantasy World of post-Brexit Toryvision sees us in a magical land where unicorns roam the green and pleasant lands, as happy citiizens sing and dance and give thanks to the Supreme Leader for delivering us from the Badlands EU and the Evilmeisters Macron and Merkel.
And I can make up this nonsense - as I have got nothing from the Tories or Davy and The DExEUs to tell me what 2020 might actually look like.
But I am told that the Labour Parties vision is rubbish - at least it is a vision that I can hear, read and understand whether I think it is great or achievable or not - at least it is a vision for our country.
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I agree. Labour Vision is dead easy to understand. They tried it in the USSR in the last century. It failed.
( If its unachievable it cant be great surely, it's just words?)
And while I am on it.... if Public Services are on their arse , why is open door immigration advocated so heavily? Surely more folk joining a long queue makes the queue...... um longer???? (or is "8k a Copper" Woman doing the sums again?)
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I don't disagree that there are areas in the public sector that need more infrastructure work doing on it but the huge amounts that the public sector waste need to be sorted first.
As an advocate of one of the most wasteful institutions in the world I don't expect you to agree.
As an advocate of one of the most wasteful institutions in the world I don't expect you to agree.
The danger of Labour's version of Marxism/communism is it is more Marxism-Leninism in that it retains central control with an Islington elite. This version of backhanded state capitalism has never worked because it dumbs down entrepreneurship. Everyone ends up with a little grey workers uniform with a red book in the top pocket. No managers, all drones.
In terms of a distribution of wealth it doesn't work because that level of central government costs an absolute fortune to create and run - sounds like Brown's creation of thousands upon thousands of state jobs with less and less revenue producers...
At the very outset a vast war chest will be needed to buy back the Post Office, railways and the utility companies. For any government to achieve the buy backs and fund a welfare state to the extent that Labour are proposing, taxation will go back to the heady days of the 70's. 35% basic rate and a whooping 83% as the higher rate. No way am I voting to bring back those penal days.
ColchesterFC
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My understanding is that rather than "buy back" the railways they will allow the franchises to expire and not renew them. I assume that this will mean that there needn't be a huge outlay to re-nationalise them depending obviously on the contracts signed and any penalty clauses written in to them.
For the utilities, would it not be cheaper for the government to create a new energy supplier? Form a new company "Government Energy PLC" and sell energy at a lower cost than all of the other suppliers. This would then either force the others to drop their prices or go out of business. I have no idea if that is practical or legal but it seems that if I can switch from British Gas to N Power to Scottish Energy with no barriers then surely I could also switch to Government Energy PLC in the same way. Does anyone have knowledge of the industry and whether that would work?
Oh good! By the time the rail franchises run out the big spend will be on rolling stock that hasn't been replaced. Aye, that's been well thought out.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Looking forward to the Tory Party manifesto since for it to have any basis for anyone believing it the Tories are going to have to explain how they will pay for their commitments through to 2022 so 3 yrs after we leave the EU. And for these manifesto commitments to be in any way believable we'll have to get the Tory view on the economy post Brexit. And that will be something we don't know at the moment.
And Labour have detailed their post-Brexit plan, inc funding....
Old Skier
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Must have missed that bit, so did a bemused Corbyn
Don't worry, Diane Abbott can run the country on a few beans.
SocketRocket
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Ah! thats different. remember everything Tory is complete tosh and everything Labour is manna from heaven. Tories have to prove funding for their plans but Labour don't. You know the drill.
ColchesterFC
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That's a bit unfair SR. All of the pledges in the Labour manifesto have been fully costed and all of their spending has been accounted for. Jeremy Corbyn said so, so it must be true. :thup:
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I'm looking forward for that detail from the Tories. Will be interesting as they also haven't got a clue what the economy will look like post-Brexit.
That said - having just watched a Theresa May Personality Broadcast masquerading as a Tory Party Election Broadcast I'm not sure the Tories will bother much about what's in their manifesto or whether they can fund it.
Because it's quite clear than this election is going to be about a Labour Party with a vision facing up to the Supreme Leader (self-proclaimed) spinning fear about the Labour Party and selling herself as the antidote to the very fear that she and her acolytes in the right wing press create.
ho hum.
If Labour had a chance in my constituency I'd vote for them. But they don't - and as it looks very likely that we will have a Progressive Alliance candidate trying to replace Jeremy Hunt with LibDems and Greens not standing - then that's where my vote will be going.
Sorry Jeremy. No matter that you are OK guy and a pretty good constituency MP - you are the face of an unacceptable Tory Party and an unacceptable Brexit. Never mind the ongoing NHS shambles and crisis. If your Supreme Leader was making less of Brexit in this GE you might have a good chance of retaining your seat - but that she isn't I think puts you at serious risk. Anyway - if you lose out you won't suffer given you recently sold your business for £17m - so you are really just like the rest of us.
SocketRocket
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Ah! I was forgetting that. How silly of me.
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Can anyone really see anyone getting near tories ?
In all my lifetime I don't recall ever seeing an opposition so weak and pathetic - and it's of their own choosing
In all my lifetime I don't recall ever seeing an opposition so weak and pathetic - and it's of their own choosing
If you go back a few days amongst your posts you say you say you won't vote Labour, and now you're saying you will. Just like Mary Poppins when the wind changes.
SocketRocket
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Maybe 100,000 is enough to meet the ecconomic needs of the country, maybe it's too many as you keep telling us that after Brexit we will be on our knees and impoverished with no jobs, young people destitute with no housing or income, . Why add to the misery by allowing more people to come here and starve in the fields.
