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[Hobbit]

Corbyn, note CORBYN, admits in an interview with the BBC that the re-nationalisations are not costed. He also says that nationalising the railways are at zero cost as they'll just let the franchises run down. Zero cost? The nationalised railways will inherit old rolling stock - which franchisee will replace any stock if Labour win?

Who remembers the old British Rail stock, the delayed and broken down trains and the appalling buffet cars?

Who is he trying to kid? Only the gullible.

 

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[SocketRocket]

Punish? I'm pretty sure them paying a few extra % in taxes won't affect their lifestyle too much.

Sour grapes, the politics of envy. The very worst type.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Been done before LP but that time it was for Michael Gove.........



Probably true for both of them though.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Don't worry, Diane Abbott can run the country on a few beans.

.........and an entire Tory party [with a wee bit of help from the Lieb Dems] can nearly double the national debt within 7 years.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

 

[Hobbit]

.........and an entire Tory party [with a wee bit of help from the Lieb Dems] can nearly double the national debt within 7 years.

More spin.... [yawn].

From an overspend of £157 billion a year, that overspend is now down to £57billion. GDP down to 4%... unlike Scotland where its over 9%, fuelled by the SNP's crazy vote buying.

 

[Raesy92]

Sour grapes, the politics of envy. The very worst type.

Sorry, you have got me all wrong.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And the railways are a public service? The Post Office is a public service? Utilities are essential as is the NHS.

When have i said avoid income tax? I've twice in recent posts suggested raising the basic rate, but taking more of the lower paid out of income tax completely. And if you go back far enough you will find I have said I'd welcome an increase. What I've also said is a disagree with this fashionable inverted snobbery of attacking people who earn more than £80k. It's a soft target for Labour as it affects very few voters.

Where am I looking to avoid income tax?

I don't think I said you were. Though I should note that a Tory spokesperson has said that Labour tax plans won't work as high earners will simply find ways of avoiding paying more.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Sorry, you have got me all wrong.

It's an easy jibe whenever you suggest that those who earn more might not find it too difficult to pay a little more. So if I earned £90k a year I'd pay £500 a year more tax. That about £10 a week. Sorry to those earning £90k if they would struggle losing that £10 every week. But somehow I just don't think so.

 

[Hobbit]

I don't think I said you were. Though I should note that a Tory spokesperson has said that Labour tax plans won't work as high earners will simply find ways of avoiding paying more.

And yet again you talk of income tax as being something that should be avoided

Your words


He wasn't a Tory spokesperson, he was from the Office(?) of Fiscal studies. Facts, not spin...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Corbyn, note CORBYN, admits in an interview with the BBC that the re-nationalisations are not costed. He also says that nationalising the railways are at zero cost as they'll just let the franchises run down. Zero cost? The nationalised railways will inherit old rolling stock - which franchisee will replace any stock if Labour win?

Who remembers the old British Rail stock, the delayed and broken down trains and the appalling buffet cars?

Who is he trying to kid? Only the gullible.

There are gullibles everywhere. Brexit and net immigration down to 10s of thousands anyone? A great free trade deal with the EU with no ECJ jurisdiction and without freedom of movement or any variant of it?

 

[Hobbit]

There are gullibles everywhere. Brexit and net immigration down to 10s of thousands anyone? A great free trade deal with the EU with no ECJ jurisdiction and without freedom of movement or any variant of it?

Deflect and avoid. My post was quoting Corbyn, which you ignored. The Labour party manifesto is not costed, whatever they say about putting it in front of the OBR.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And yet again you talk of income tax as being something that should be avoided

Your words


He wasn't a Tory spokesperson, he was from the Office(?) of Fiscal studies. Facts, not spin...

The Tory wasn't on the Ten O'clock news - he was speaking earlier. And that Tory spokesman said that the tax plans wouldn't work because high earners would find a way top avoid paying the little bit more they are being asked for. I'm 100% NOT saying IT is something to be avoided. I suggest that were I to be earning £90K a year I'd be more than happy to pay another £10 a week into the pot.

And many DO see additional IT as something to be avoided, though I accept (sorry) that you only referred to it as being penal - which rather suggests you don't like it... But maybe just the additional bit.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Deflect and avoid. My post was quoting Corbyn, which you ignored. The Labour party manifesto is not costed, whatever they say about putting it in front of the OBR.

Corbyn said he'd hope the cost of nationalisation to be neutral, but can't say until he sees the treasury detailed figures on GDP and when they know what the share price would be at the time of looking at doing it.

This is clearly a massive policy that is very difficult to cost - but not as difficult or massive a problem as costing such as a Brexit No Deal. So do you expect the Tories to state the cost to the UK economy of a No Deal - and if not then why not? It is going to be an element of the Tory Party manifesto that will have no cost against it as the Tories either have no idea - or they do have an idea but daren't tell. But will you be damning the whole Tory Party manifesto on the basis of an uncosted No Deal - I have my doubts.

 

[Hobbit]

The Tory wasn't on the Ten O'clock news - he was speaking earlier. And that Tory spokesman said that the tax plans wouldn't work because high earners would find a way top avoid paying the little bit more they are being asked for. I'm 100% NOT saying IT is something to be avoided. I suggest that were I to be earning £90K a year I'd be more than happy to pay another £10 a week into the pot.

Skinflint!!

I'd pay treble that without even blinking if I was earning £90k... I don't mind paying more, through choice. Crikey, I've got xx amount already going out, through choice, as well as doing plenty of hours every month, through choice. I don't need a nanny state to do that - and don't forget, that nanny state comes with a whole inflated dept deciding where the money goes.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sour grapes, the politics of envy. The very worst type.

Hmmmmmm I seem to remember a 60% tax rate under Thatcher, could be wrong though.
Was that envy as well.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Skinflint!!

I'd pay treble that without even blinking if I was earning £90k... I don't mind paying more, through choice. Crikey, I've got xx amount already going out, through choice, as well as doing plenty of hours every month, through choice. I don't need a nanny state to do that - and don't forget, that nanny state comes with a whole inflated dept deciding where the money goes.

Indeed - I already pay more than £10 a week in regular giving...to good causes. It's actually not a lot - I should give more.

But £10 a week more is all that the new tax rate asks those earning £90K a year to contribute to the pot - and yet I have already heard plenty moaning about it and saying the money could be found from 'savings'.

 

[Hobbit]

Indeed - I already pay more than £10 a week in regular giving...to good causes. It's actually not a lot - I should give more.

But £10 a week more is all that the new tax rate asks those earning £90K a year to contribute to the pot.

I agree, £10 isn't a great deal. But by me choosing where it goes I engage with that charity/cause and end up following the charity and doing even more.

Do I want xx millions spent on an advertising campaign to stop smoking in some far flung foreign country that only has 5% of the population with TV's!

 

[Hobbit]

Hmmmmmm I seem to remember a 60% tax rate under Thatcher, could be wrong though.
Was that envy as well.

You're not wrong. But the snap shot in time doesn't show that they inherited a top rate of 83%. There's no way of balancing the books by going straight from 83% down to 40%.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Taxation is the price we pay to live in a civilised society. Progressive taxation based on the ability to pay seems perfectly fair to me.