Ge 2017

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

WRONG

In the recent local council elections - three seats were contested in my town. All were previously held by conservatives. They lost two of them and held on to the third by 60 votes. The constituency of South West Surrey is primarily made up of the Borough of Waverley...in the EU Referendum the result was...

The turnout was 82.3%.

The total number of ballot papers counted was 75,999
The total number of votes cast in favour of REMAIN was 44,241
The total number of votes cast in favour of LEAVE was 31,601
The total number of ballot papers rejected was 57

Whilst Hunt had a huge majority last election - that was in the wake of LibDems in coalition with the Tories and given the LibDem Student Loans farrago. But back in 2001 the GE result had the Tories winning the seat by a majority of 861 (turnout 70%/50,000 votes cast); then in 2005 Tories winning the seat by a majority of 5711 (turnout 72%/52,500 votes cast).

Jeremy Hunt may currently have a large majority - but there is a huge latent non-Tory vote. And what with Brexit and the state of the NHS our dear Jeremy has a bit of work to do.

I see no response to my FACTS about the South West Surrey constituency - and I know why. Because as DfT said ... If Surrey is revolting, things must be pretty bad in Toryland

Not all of Toryland I grant you - but things are looking just a little bit shoogly in this particular part of it. really looking forward to the hustings with Jeremy on trial...

 

[Old Skier]

Whilst the Tories embrace and sell loads of arms to their 'friends' in Saudi Arabia. Double standards I am afraid.

When did the Troy's build this factory. I suppose arms sales to this country never went on under Labour.

 

[Old Skier]

I see no response to my FACTS about the South West Surrey constituency - and I know why. Because as DfT said ... If Surrey is revolting, things must be pretty bad in Toryland

Not all of Toryland I grant you - but things are looking just a little bit shoogly in this particular part of it. really looking forward to the hustings with Jeremy on trial...

The problem with Doon saying it normally means he's chucking a firecracker into the argument to get a bite and then walks away and let's you continue to ramble on about it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Was being facetious... but those two organisation's definition of peace and successful outcome involves things that you wouldn't like very much. Corbyn referring to them "as friends" in that infamous speech tells me all I need to know

I did get that but I still think my point is fair. In the end the best chance of peace is to talk to both sides. The issues out there are deep rooted and whilst I 100% do not defend what these organisations do the Israeli's are throwing petrol on the fire every day. I know the friends comment is often raised but is that not the way diplomacy starts? You call someone a friend, shake their hand and see if you can find a compromise. Start the talks with a threat or an insult and you really are not going to get anywhere.

 

[SocketRocket]

I know and experience what you mean...

Except I'm not going to be bullied or put off by curt and superior dismissals. I can stand back if I so wish and picture the Gadarene mob, squealing and hurtling with ever-increasing ferocity for the cliff-edge. But some of us are not among them. Politics may be sour but how sweet it is to be on the right side of the argument.

Not just tedious.....worrying as well.
Anyone with a different view to UKIP/Tory/BNP is hounded and bullied off from here.
Brave new world eh!

Why don't they just call this the Golf Monthly English Conservative Old Boys Golf Forum ?

Will find a more considered and balanced political debate elsewhere.

Utterly tedious here.

This is all 'Code' that translated means 'Our argument is weak and will not stand up to scrutiny so as a last resort we will try insulting those who won the vote'

Typical left wing policy.

 

[Hobbit]

I get your point with this but let's say he invites them round and that leads to peace in the area then that would be an invitation that we would all be grateful was made. We managed peace in N.Ireland by talking to terrorists, Colombia has done the same, there are other examples around the world, how would this be different? I'd rather someone was talking to these organisations then the area just carried on simmering and exploding.

Totally agree with your point. However, Corbyn was meeting with and standing on podiums with said organisations contrary to Her Majesty's Government's foreign policy of the day. I get where he was coming from but, equally, think it was very wrong in the extreme of him to do so.

I see no response to my FACTS about the South West Surrey constituency - and I know why. Because as DfT said ... If Surrey is revolting, things must be pretty bad in Toryland

Not all of Toryland I grant you - but things are looking just a little bit shoogly in this particular part of it. really looking forward to the hustings with Jeremy on trial...

I hadn't realised we had to respond to what is happening in some leafy suburb in the southeast of England. Quite frankly, I couldn't give a toss what's going on with Hunt in his constituency. I don't like the guy, and I thought his loaded questions during an NHS walkround this week were disgusting But in the great scheme of a GE he's one of over 600 MP's, many of which will be having local issues.

But if you want to talk about manifestos rather than something that affects 75,999 voters lets crack on.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Totally agree with your point. However, Corbyn was meeting with and standing on podiums with said organisations contrary to Her Majesty's Government's foreign policy of the day. I get where he was coming from but, equally, think it was very wrong in the extreme of him to do so.

I'm pretty sure that when the Conservative govt of the time was secretly speaking to the IRA / Sinn Fein back in the day that was also contrary to their official position. What you say in public and what happens behind the scenes is often quite different in foreign policy. Corbyn was upfront about it. Not media savvy but then I don't think he has ever cared about that. His point is consistent, if you want to end conflicts then you have a far better chance by talking than by trying to simply blow the opposition to pieces. This is particularly the case when you get into guerrilla territory because they don't stand in neat lines and wear a uniform that identifies who you are.

 

[User62651]

This is all 'Code' that translated means 'Our argument is weak and will not stand up to scrutiny so as a last resort we will try insulting those who won the vote'

Typical left wing policy.

Insulting? - pretty rich coming from you.

As for codebreaking - Alan Turing you ain't.

Also not voting Tory does not make you a left winger, you're assuming we're all Labour voters, some may be but I have no party allegiance - will weigh up and consider all issues, not blindly follow one party no matter what. All parties have a mix of good, middling and bad policy.

 

[Old Skier]

Insulting? - pretty rich coming from you.

As for codebreaking - Alan Turing you ain't.

Also not voting Tory does not make you a left winger, you're assuming we're all Labour voters, some may be but I have no party allegiance - will weigh up and consider all issues, not blindly follow one party no matter what. All parties have a mix of good, middling and bad policy.

Same as most of us yet you insist on calling those that disagree with you as right wing.

 

[Hobbit]

I'm pretty sure that when the Conservative govt of the time was secretly speaking to the IRA / Sinn Fein back in the day that was also contrary to their official position. What you say in public and what happens behind the scenes is often quite different in foreign policy. Corbyn was upfront about it. Not media savvy but then I don't think he has ever cared about that. His point is consistent, if you want to end conflicts then you have a far better chance by talking than by trying to simply blow the opposition to pieces. This is particularly the case when you get into guerrilla territory because they don't stand in neat lines and wear a uniform that identifies who you are.

It would be naïve to think the Govt of the day, whoever it is, isn't talking behind the scenes. However, doing what Corbyn did in public goes some way towards legitimising terrorist groups, and also goes some way to fostering some sympathy and support, both in the UK and in its home country. It also weakens the official Govt line. Do you think the Benghazi Gazette didn't post up a story of a British MP meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah?

 

[Old Skier]

It would be naïve to think the Govt of the day, whoever it is, isn't talking behind the scenes. However, doing what Corbyn did in public goes some way towards legitimising terrorist groups, and also goes some way to fostering some sympathy and support, both in the UK and in its home country. It also weakens the official Govt line. Do you think the Benghazi Gazette didn't post up a story of a British MP meeting with Hamas and Hezbollah?

I would have expected the government of the day in consultation with the opposition leadership to be holding secretive talks however a relatively unknown backbencher with little sway or influence in his own party at the time was after nothing more but publicity which has now come home to roost. The man even continued to support Adams & McGuinness when they became elected MPs and refused to take their seats even though they were being paid thousands of pounds of tax payers money. The man is nothing more than a puppet who is manipulated by extremists who have no interest in the Labour Party or its policies.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Totally agree with your point. However, Corbyn was meeting with and standing on podiums with said organisations contrary to Her Majesty's Government's foreign policy of the day. I get where he was coming from but, equally, think it was very wrong in the extreme of him to do so.



I hadn't realised we had to respond to what is happening in some leafy suburb in the southeast of England. Quite frankly, I couldn't give a toss what's going on with Hunt in his constituency. I don't like the guy, and I thought his loaded questions during an NHS walkround this week were disgusting But in the great scheme of a GE he's one of over 600 MP's, many of which will be having local issues.

But if you want to talk about manifestos rather than something that affects 75,999 voters lets crack on.

Well you might want to tell one of our fellow posters to be not quite so dismissive about something that is actually true.

If it were not at all important then why was SW Surrey and the anti-Tory Progressive Alliance that seems likely for the GE the subject of a commentary in the i newspaper a few days ago. Albeit that the PA was not given much chance of success - it is nonetheless a true reflection of unrest in Toryland that DfT pointed out.

 

[Hobbit]

Well you might want to tell one of our fellow posters to be not quite so dismissive about something that is actually true.

If it were not at all important then why was SW Surrey and the anti-Tory Progressive Alliance that seems likely for the GE the subject of a commentary in the i newspaper a few days ago. Albeit that the PA was not given much chance of success - it is nonetheless a true reflection of unrest in Toryland that DfT pointed out.

I see farmer Giles has had a few sheep rustled last week, that was in the Peterhead Times. I'm not meaning to be dismissive but individuals latching on what isn't a huge thing UK wide just isn't that important. I don't doubt for one minute that some high profile MP's will lose their seats. It happens at every GE, but why the typical sensationalism that we are being brainwashed with via the media.

Unrest in Toryland. Unless things change quite a bit in the next 4 weeks we're going to see a Tory landslide...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

New York Times today - opinion piece on Theresa May's vision for the UK

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/...rod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share&_r=0

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I see farmer Giles has had a few sheep rustled last week, that was in the Peterhead Times. I'm not meaning to be dismissive but individuals latching on what isn't a huge thing UK wide just isn't that important. I don't doubt for one minute that some high profile MP's will lose their seats. It happens at every GE, but why the typical sensationalism that we are being brainwashed with via the media.

Unrest in Toryland. Unless things change quite a bit in the next 4 weeks we're going to see a Tory landslide...

Fight back against such Paul Dacre and Murdoch who have specialised in this over the decades - and have succeeded

it is going to be a Tory landslide I agree. Very depressing as it will be on the back of Brexit when in fact a larger majority won't help the negotiations with the EU but might help internal Tory negotiations to make for a less severe Brexit.

And she will claim an electoral mandate for her manifesto - a manifesto that I predict will have had little influence on those who will vote for her.

 

[Raesy92]

Does labours leaked manifesto promises make them a party worth voting for? Interested to hear peoples opinions, certainly better than bringing back fox hunting ...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Does labours leaked manifesto promises make them a party worth voting for? Interested to hear peoples opinions, certainly better than bringing back fox hunting ...

I just don't get Corbyn at all - his apparent 'authenticity' in front of the public doesn't ring true for me one little bit. Everything he says feels scripted and rather forced, to me he does not speak 'freely' and truly from 'the heart' - because he pauses and stumbles and mangles words as he thinks about what he is saying as he speaks. And his thinking is to check that it is aligned with what he thinks he should be saying - to be consistent with the message and what he wants others to think of him. But for me he is just not 'authentic' - his is a constructed front.

A bit like out PM in fact.

 

[Old Skier]

New York Times today - opinion piece on Theresa May's vision for the UK

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/...rod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share&_r=0

Good to see you broadening your horizons. You should see what the British press are saying about the American President.

 

[Hobbit]

New York Times today - opinion piece on Theresa May's vision for the UK

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/...rod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share&_r=0

You criticise the media then post up a link for a newspaper 3500 miles away...a decent piece in terms of a political stance but just like the right wing press you despise, it's an opinion, not news.

 

[jp5]

Does labours leaked manifesto promises make them a party worth voting for? Interested to hear peoples opinions, certainly better than bringing back fox hunting ...

At first glances it looks like the sort of manifesto that would provide a better, more equal, country for our children and grandchildren to live in.