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[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I presume this idiotic post was for a bite.

Whatever you think of the question - the answer is Saudi Arabia

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Anyone see Fallon get done over by Channel 4 news?

He was given a quote about how our foreign policy had led to a rise in terrorism, he immediately launches a tirade of abuse at Corbyn and how he is wrong, to then be told the quote was from Boris Johnson, didn't know what to say and says he needs to see it before believing it, so newsreader repeats quote and Fallon starts mumbling and is lost for words before muttering "he's wrong"

And same thing today on Peston - head-bangingly grim. Misrepresenting Corbyn and this time trying to change what Johnson said to fit the Tory narrative over Corbyn.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

We must have watched a different interview. He answered every question put to him, on about three occasions they were the same answers to the same questions. I was waiting for a 'have you now or ever been a member of the Communist Party' question. [for the old guys on here]

May on the other hand absolutely did not answer about three questions.
Different folks/different strokes.

Whatever side you are on Neil is an obnoxious oaf who is well past his sell by. I keep thinking he interviews like a sleazy Sun journalist.

Peston is the new kid on the block.

...and I thought Corbyn did OK this morning under quite severe questioning by Peston - certainly a lot better than Fallon did. And as far as Nuttall...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Is Corbyn's stance on how to deal with terror groups abroad isolationist? Could it lead to the UK being marginalised on the international stage?

If IS had been left to run free across the Middle East and North Africa what would the map of the world look like? How many citizens from those countries would have been murdered, and how many of them would have been drafted into an IS army?

And then there loss of access to the oilfields in the Middle East and North Africa.

I agree with Corbyn in that the ambition must be for peace and stability but sometimes you actually have to fight for peace. Most wars need a victor and a loser for the world to move on.

Though I get the impression that a large % of the electorate would go down a minimum interventionist route unless it was a 'mission' with a major humanitarian background - such as Ruwanda-Burundi

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Bloomin hilarious how everyone and their mother is trying to link Corbyn to the IRA.
In 1977, ten years before Corbyn met with him, Douglas Hurd was having 'secret' talks with IRA leader Gerry Adams.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Whatever you think of the question - the answer is Saudi Arabia

Steady on there, the Tories love the Uk arms buying Saudi's.
Anyone ever wonder where all the stuff they buy from the UK ends up.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Good old 'Independent' BBC news.
Reporting that Nicola Sturgeon would work with Labour in her interview with Neil when she said nothing of the sort.

 

[Old Skier]

Good old 'Independent' BBC news.
Reporting that Nicola Sturgeon would work with Labour in her interview with Neil when she said nothing of the sort.

Yes she did

 

[Old Skier]

Though I get the impression that a large % of the electorate would go down a minimum interventionist route unless it was a 'mission' with a major humanitarian background - such as Ruwanda-Burundi

So we shouldn't have become involved in the former Yugoslavia to try and save thousands of Muslims.

 

[Hobbit]

Bloomin hilarious how everyone and their mother is trying to link Corbyn to the IRA.
In 1977, ten years before Corbyn met with him, Douglas Hurd was having 'secret' talks with IRA leader Gerry Adams.

What is the point in debating with you? *draws breath and tries again*

Hurd met the IRA as part of a sanctioned government negotiation, and Corbyn did what? Went off on one of his apologist meetings, not even sanctioned by his own party.

Or put another way; what would be your reaction if Ruth Davidson went and had negotiations with a 3rd party, not even terrorist, on behalf of the SNP?

 

[IanM]

And refuses to denounce them and stood in silence to honour their dead....


....and referred publically to Hamas and Hezzobolla as "our friends."


Other than that he's a proud patriot!. Just the man when we have 20k plus Isis loons on the loose in the Uk ... he might speed up a result! Not necessarily in our favour

 

[Hobbit]

Good old 'Independent' BBC news.
Reporting that Nicola Sturgeon would work with Labour in her interview with Neil when she said nothing of the sort.

Yes she did

What he said.

Further to that, about a week ago, and sorry but I can't find the link, she did say she would be willing to work with any party at Westminster to mitigate the worst Tory excesses.

EDIT: she said on Wednesday 24th May she would be in London leading the negotiations with Labour to support a Labour minority govt. She spoke about it at length in an interview which included slapping down Salmond for his interference in how those negotiations should be conducted, and what conditions should be imposed on that minority Labour govt.

Its all out there if you can be bothered to look.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What really annoys me over this Corbyn and Abbott IRA link is when the Tories and their supporters use it.

What about Maria Gatland.

I'll never approve Corbyns or Abbotts action, but I'm also damn sure I'll not get past the Tories and Gatland.

 

[IanM]

Possibly. But Labour's official position on this makes Gatland's position ok... daft as that is.

And, no one knows who she is without Goggle and she's a local councillor, not a prospective PM

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Possibly. But Labour's official position on this makes Gatland's position ok... daft as that is.

And, no one knows who she is without Goggle and she's a local councillor, not a prospective PM

Cheers, reinforced my point :thup:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

What he said.

Further to that, about a week ago, and sorry but I can't find the link, she did say she would be willing to work with any party at Westminster to mitigate the worst Tory excesses.

EDIT: she said on Wednesday 24th May she would be in London leading the negotiations with Labour to support a Labour minority govt. She spoke about it at length in an interview which included slapping down Salmond for his interference in how those negotiations should be conducted, and what conditions should be imposed on that minority Labour govt.

Its all out there if you can be bothered to look.

You 'miss read' my post.
I was talking about the interview with Neil and the BBC News coverage of the interview.
She said she would work with 'any progressive party'.......not sure if Labour or UKIP qualify under that heading.
There was no mention of Labour........BBC just repeated their 'error' again on 10pm news.

 

[Hobbit]

You 'miss read' my post.
I was talking about the interview with Neil and the BBC News coverage of the interview.
She said she would work with 'any progressive party'.......not sure if Labour or UKIP qualify under that heading.
There was no mention of Labour........BBC just repeated their 'error' again on 10pm news.

And you seem to have missed the bulk of my post. The put down on Salmond was her saying, "she will be in London leading the negotiations with Labour."

By the sound of it, all isn't well in the SNP at present. Salmond has had a few reminders recently that she leads the party, not him.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

What is the point in debating with you? *draws breath and tries again*

Hurd met the IRA as part of a sanctioned government negotiation, and Corbyn did what? Went off on one of his apologist meetings, not even sanctioned by his own party.

Or put another way; what would be your reaction if Ruth Davidson went and had negotiations with a 3rd party, not even terrorist, on behalf of the SNP?

Sorry you have lost me there.
Are you saying that opposition politicians negotiating for a peaceful resolution should butt out and that it can only happen if it is government sanctioned.

 

[Hobbit]

Sorry you have lost me there.
Are you saying that opposition politicians negotiating for a peaceful resolution should butt out and that it can only happen if it is government sanctioned.

Yes, unless invited to do so by the govt of the day. What could Corbyn offer to the IRA, apart from giving them a platform? He couldn't say we'll reduce the number of troops or restrict the RUC's powers if you promise the give up xxx...

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yes, unless invited to do so by the govt of the day. What could Corbyn offer to the IRA, apart from giving them a platform? He couldn't say we'll reduce the number of troops or restrict the RUC's powers if you promise the give up xxx...

I'm struggling to keep up with all this but, taking all posts so far at face value, clearly Douglas Hurd wasn't a member of the government in 1977?