And in Gerrard FitzGerald's memoirs he said that those meetings prolonged the conflict as it gave the IRA false hope that the British govt wanted to negotiate.
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And in Gerrard FitzGerald's memoirs he said that those meetings prolonged the conflict as it gave the IRA false hope that the British govt wanted to negotiate.
Doon frae Troon
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Interesting evening.
Rudd coming on as a substitute for weak and wobbly in the 'leaders' debate.
Merkel isolates the EU from the influences of the UK and USA.
https://nation.cymru/2017/quarter-of-population-support-welsh-independence-yougov/
..and Wales finally wake up to smell the coffee.
Rudd coming on as a substitute for weak and wobbly in the 'leaders' debate.
Merkel isolates the EU from the influences of the UK and USA.
https://nation.cymru/2017/quarter-of-population-support-welsh-independence-yougov/
..and Wales finally wake up to smell the coffee.
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FairwayDodger
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Hurd, Corbyn or both? What other meetings were going on?
And are the actions of a relatively young man in the 70s and 80s all that significant nowadays? Or are our memories too short?
Doon frae Troon
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Ruth Davidson pulls out of the Radio Scotland leaders 'phone in' and sends a substitute.......Fearty Tories seems to be trending. :lol:
Old Skier
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Both the government ministers of the day and shadows in the opposition, not insignificant back benchers like Corbyn who had no standing in his own party and surprise surprise has since admitted not being involved.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Looking on the bright side, at least by ensuring we are fixated by what Corbyn may or may not have done a few decades ago, it means the tories can avoid any serious questions and debate about what their manifesto will do to our public services such as school, the NHS and the police force.
Both.
There were official, behind the scenes, meetings going on from the late 60's.
In many respects you're right, what does it matter who was doing what back then, apart from has that individual learned from their meddling and would they be just as likely to be cavalier now.
Surprisingly, the person to come out of all of this with at least a shred of dignity is Diane Abbott. She's admitted to meetings and comments, and said she's grown up now. Neither Corbyn nor McDonnell have admitted anything, even when political commentators have quoted known facts to them. They give a deflecting, weasly answer.
Old Skier
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Unless we are going to raise substantially more in the way of taxes labour aren't going to fair any better according to independent sources and having to continually bail out Scotland because of the inability of the SNP to want to raise the taxes to do what they want to do it will only get worse.
Old Skier
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Not trending anywhere unless I suspect amongst a small group of SNP wallys
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Which is fair enough. But at least it is a debate over how we still fund public services (for example do we need to raise taxes) which I imagine will impact more people than if Corbyn met the IRA decades ago.
Old Skier
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Agreed if you also taking into account that he lied to try and justify it and if your happy for him as a story teller to be leader of the country.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
As opposed to Mrs 'No snap election' May....
Whilst the leaders are important and I totally agree that Corbyn is more of a liability than an asset to Labour, to be honest I'll look at what kind of country each party is trying to represent and also their policies.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Let's not forget that the Tory Government were meeting with the IRA long, long before they had agreed to 'lay down their arms'
Secretary of State for Northern Ireland William Whitelaw met IRA leader Sean MacStiofain and other Republicans at Channon's house in Chelsea on 7 July 1972.[2] The talks ended in failure,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Channon
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Besides - a Leader is only a Leader as long as he is followed. Corbyn can quite easily become ex-Leader - even as PM (that being an unlikely event). After all - the Tories did it when Thatcher had served her purpose and done her stint.
Old Skier
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The clue is in the word Government
Stop being sensible!!
Everyone knows its ok for everyone and their dog to get involved in delicate negotiations, especially inconsequential nobodies who haven't a clue what the Cabinet of the day is trying to achieve.
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Sorry Bri, tend to agree with most of your posts and maybe it wasn't the case with Corbyn, but sometimes dealing with a 3rd person or intermediate with no direct involvement is more acceptable to both sides in some conflicts.
Doon frae Troon
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I don't care who negotiates provide the outcome results in peace.
As the government had not achieved that in decades I am inclined to agree with Paul
Old Skier
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So now he has owned up to telling porkies and was never involved in any peace talks that's ok then.
Doon frae Troon
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If you are thinking of voting Tory, watch this.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/fleeing-england-for-their-lives/#comments
https://wingsoverscotland.com/fleeing-england-for-their-lives/#comments
