Tashyboy
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Frost and temporary greens
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We haven’t had temporary greens for well over ten years. In part because the cost of preparing and maintaining them outweighed the cost of repairing any damage to the main greens. But primarily because modern methods seem to mean that greens survive the winter conditions really quite well.
I’m just not sure temps are needed any more.
I’m just not sure temps are needed any more.
YandaB
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No temp greens at all. Really heavy frosts occasionally mean no play for the day. Usually it's a small number of hours.
Tashyboy
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The only time our course has had temp greens is if work is being done on the greens. Then you putt out with an iron. The temp greens/ hole on the fairway are embarrassing. Esp when they are on comp days.
During the winter we play on the normal frozen greens. The only thing that is then missing on the greens is a windmill and a clown with an opening and closing mouth. It is a lottery.
During the winter we play on the normal frozen greens. The only thing that is then missing on the greens is a windmill and a clown with an opening and closing mouth. It is a lottery.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Said before
I am reminded on what used to happen on the original 9th hole on our short course.
It was a short par 3 located within a few yards of crossing a river, with a very steep bank on the other side of the green.
When the course was heavily frosted (one year for nearly a month) you used to have to judge where to land your ball short of the river to get the correct bounce to jump the river and finish on the green.
Players not used to it hit full shots on to the green and the ball would end up way up the high bank and sometimes on to the 18 hole for the long course located beyond the bank
The green has since been moved to short of the river.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
We have two greens that have to go onto temps when the greens are frozen. The 1st, because bouncing through the back of that would hit people on the 2nd tee, and the 17th, because bouncing through that would send balls into a road that goes behind it!
D-S
Well-known member
When we moved to playing on frozen greens instead of temps quite a few years back everyone initially thought it was a great move. A few rounds of Mickey Mouse golf soon meant that the novelty wore off. Fine about once a year but any more than that I prefer the range or studio.
Tashyboy
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Flag in the fairway?A temp Green in play today on our par five. I chipped in with a seven iron from 15 yds for 4/4
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
We go onto temporary greens when there has been a number of consecutive days of hard frost - and when we do the gks give us pretty decent standard ones - albeit decent to a good enough to play reasonably sensibly standard.
Tashyboy
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That’s it, the flag is just plonked there whilst the greenkeeping staff do work on a bunker 60yds away. Why the fairway was not rimmed is beyond me. It is always the same.Flag in the fairway?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
At a slight tangent
In a winter stableford scoring pairs comp we can play rounds (not matches) over a three month period whenever suits - the comp could be better ball but my question is think is more pertinent to foursomes format.
I am off 5 for the comp and my partner is off 21. She is not so good playing out of bunkers (one reason many higher handicappers are so).
Now my question is...would it be better for us to be playing rounds on our OK but not brilliant' temporary winter greens or to our normal greens (lovely even in winter). Why might that matter? Well playing to our proper greens the green side bunkers are in play; playing to our temps these bunkers are generally not in play.
Strikes me that, notwithstanding that putting on temps is always going to have more randomness about it than on proper greens, we'd be better playing to temps as the bunkers are out of play and that may well be of significant advantage to my partner over her having to putt on poorer surfaces. Might well be for me also but I can get out of bunkers pretty well so perhaps less of a question.
Not sure I've explained that very clearly but think my question is understandable. Note that the question obviously applies equally to pairs of blokes.
In a winter stableford scoring pairs comp we can play rounds (not matches) over a three month period whenever suits - the comp could be better ball but my question is think is more pertinent to foursomes format.
I am off 5 for the comp and my partner is off 21. She is not so good playing out of bunkers (one reason many higher handicappers are so).
Now my question is...would it be better for us to be playing rounds on our OK but not brilliant' temporary winter greens or to our normal greens (lovely even in winter). Why might that matter? Well playing to our proper greens the green side bunkers are in play; playing to our temps these bunkers are generally not in play.
Strikes me that, notwithstanding that putting on temps is always going to have more randomness about it than on proper greens, we'd be better playing to temps as the bunkers are out of play and that may well be of significant advantage to my partner over her having to putt on poorer surfaces. Might well be for me also but I can get out of bunkers pretty well so perhaps less of a question.
Not sure I've explained that very clearly but think my question is understandable. Note that the question obviously applies equally to pairs of blokes.
anotherdouble
Journeyman Pro
Honestly why does it even matter. It’s betterball. With you being off 5 and your partner off of 21, I would think you would be in play more often. It’s a competition to get you playing some form of competitive golf in the winter. Just go and enjoy it and then go for a hot toddy in a nice warm clubhouse after.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Maybe your partner should ditch you and get a partner who doesn’t put her in bunkers when they know she struggles to get out of them
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
You'll note that I suggested the conflict is more highlighted to me in a foursomes format - where the better bunker player can still put the poorer one into bunkers - especially when the better player is looking and expecting/expected to by hitting the green with approaches.
But it's just a question...not an issue or a complaint. Just a question.
If given the choice - in a foursomes format would I rather be playing to temps, where green side bunkers are mostly not in play, knowing I am partnered with a poor bunker player - especially if they are OK putting? And please...don't ask me how or why I might be given a choice...just accept that in arranging any round I could be.
chellie
Tour Winner
You do seem to over think things.
Surely she would be more worried about playing with you as you could put her in a bunker?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Maybe so…but it had me thinking as we played all our (four) rounds in Nov to our greens and we could’ve waited until later with high likelihood of temps…
Could we have scored more stableford points had we played our rounds to temps…quite possibly…was my conclusion, and I am simply asking of the experience or thinking of others.
Btw…I dislike playing to temps hence why we got our rounds done in Nov. And I wouldn’t like to have been playing any rounds to temps…but that’s not the question.
There is a balance - and it is quite possible that additional shots used to get out of bunkers are balanced by additional shots due to putting on poor surfaces.
I was simply pondering on it.
sunshine
Well-known member
My course never moves to temp greens. If the greens are going to be damaged from people walking on them, then surely the tees and fairways are also going to be damaged?
- If it's frosty, the course is closed until 10am, that's enough time for most of the frost to melt, and by the time the course gets busy the frost is all gone. Worth highlighting that in January the sunrise in London is about 40 minutes earlier than Edinburgh. On a crisp frosty morning my course has received at least 2 hours of sunlight by 10am.
- If the course is frozen it's open. It's crazy golf, but quite fun to play on a frozen solid course a couple of times a year. Walking on a course as hard as concrete isn't going to cause any damage.
- When the course starts to thaw, that seems to be the time to close it. I remember when I was a kid playing football on pitches where the top couple of cm had thawed but the ground remained frozen underneath. The water couldn't drain and just sat in the top layer so the pitch turned into a mud bath pretty quickly, as well as being dangerous to play on.
- If it's frosty, the course is closed until 10am, that's enough time for most of the frost to melt, and by the time the course gets busy the frost is all gone. Worth highlighting that in January the sunrise in London is about 40 minutes earlier than Edinburgh. On a crisp frosty morning my course has received at least 2 hours of sunlight by 10am.
- If the course is frozen it's open. It's crazy golf, but quite fun to play on a frozen solid course a couple of times a year. Walking on a course as hard as concrete isn't going to cause any damage.
- When the course starts to thaw, that seems to be the time to close it. I remember when I was a kid playing football on pitches where the top couple of cm had thawed but the ground remained frozen underneath. The water couldn't drain and just sat in the top layer so the pitch turned into a mud bath pretty quickly, as well as being dangerous to play on.
simsini
Well-known member
Don't have any temporary greens anymore, they were phased out last year thankfully. I wouldn't bother playing if more than a couple of holes were on them.
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chellie
Tour Winner
Do you all temps and rake and place in the bunkers ?
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