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Froch V Groves

Froch is in many knowledgeable peoples top 10 p4p list. He has beaten a who's who of the 168 division with the exception of Andre Ward who is simply an another level and could go down as an all time great. Froch is a british all time great and while he has 2 losses on his record his resume tops any other british fighter bar Lennox Lewis in my opinion. However in the last fight I was shocked at how low Froch looked, his jab was way off and if Groves had not fallen into a trap and gotten cocky he would have won quite easily.

Froch while more motivated is 9 months older while Groves will be 9 months more experienced and near to his prime. If Groves boxes he wins and will move onto a fight with Arthur Abraham, if he gets into a fight he will get stopped.
 
Hate Froch, and if Groves lands half as many shots as he did in the first fight he could have it won comfortably by the eighth then just sit back and enjoy watching a former world champion chase him at the end of his jab. Froch is tough as they come no doubt, but Groves is much faster and much smarter and his right hand is ridiculously accurate.
 
mchacker said:
Hate Froch, and if Groves lands half as many shots as he did in the first fight he could have it won comfortably by the eighth then just sit back and enjoy watching a former world champion chase him at the end of his jab. Froch is tough as they come no doubt, but Groves is much faster and much smarter and his right hand is ridiculously accurate.
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If Groves was much smarter he would have won the last fight.
 
Groves is the better boxer, he's faster, more accurate and has much better footwork.

Froch can take a lot of punishment and is very very tough but he is very clumsy at time. Throwing waist high hooks and padding jabs. He sometimes reminds me of that simpsons episode where Homer becomes a boxer and wears people down by getting hit
 
richy said:
Groves is the better boxer, he's faster, more accurate and has much better footwork.

Froch can take a lot of punishment and is very very tough but he is very clumsy at time. Throwing waist high hooks and padding jabs. He sometimes reminds me of that simpsons episode where Homer becomes a boxer and wears people down by getting hit
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Agree with this, but would add that Froch is far more savvy. In the first fight, Groves was so far ahead after the 6th if he'd stayed behind his jab, he'd have won fairly easily. Froch was able to turn it into a dust up, roughing him up in the clinches, hitting after the break etc. Referee stepped in far too quickly, but Groves should not have allowed himself to be dragged into that situation.
I think before the first fight, Froch was complacent and didn't think Groves was a good as he is actually is, he will not make the same mistake this time. For what it's worth, I'm tipping Froch to win by stoppage in rounds 10-12
 
I've followed Froch's career since his fight with Robin Reid. He's a tough, awkward fighter with a solid chin and a great engine. His record stands up against some quality opponents and he has avenged one of his two losses by beating Kessler the 2nd time around. He is usually in exciting fights, if the other fighter is willing to engage.
However, Groves schooled him in the first fight and gave him a sustained beating for seven of the nine rounds. Froch shipped a lot of punishment and may not be the same fighter he was after the hiding he took. Age catches everyone eventually (Hopkins May be the exception!). Andre Ward, often regarded as number 2 P4P didn't deal with Froch the way Groves did. Although give Froch his due, he was still there and did his job regardless of what you think of the stoppage. He showed similar heart against Jermaine Taylor (although he didn't suffer as much) in stopping his man after taking a beating.
I think the result of this fight is finely poised and I'm not too bothered about the result. I just hope it lives up to the first fight which was a remarkable spectacle. Groves showing genuine class, speed and power and Froch countering with grit, tenacity and superb conditioning. The build up has worked in getting people interested. Just hope it lives up to the hype second time around. I'll probably have a bet on Groves inside 3 rounds and Froch in rounds 9-12. Can't see it going 12 rounds.
 
I stopped watching boxing when it went pay to view

My son has tickets for the fight and my job is baby sitting for him!
 
I have not been this excited about a fight since Benn/Eubank. 80k in Wembley is huge. HID is down in London for Hen Party that night so it's boys night in with the fight, steaks on the BBQ and beer..!

I hope Groves wins but if it gets to later rounds then the advantage goes to Froch.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Don't think they are World Class or at the top of the boxing tree - both very good boxers though.
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I agree both are not specifically good fighters but Groves has the chance to be better as he is still in his fledgling years... Froch should retire after this one. When you compare them to Ward etc hes in a different league. I love the hype I think its all quite entertaining but Groves is no match for the experience and mind games of Froch out of the ring but I think if he can stay out of the way, not get in a brutal close encounter the he could actually beat him in it. He's quick, sharp and surprisingly tougher than Froch expected. I'm going for Groves on points (he wont knock him out) ..... but its nip and tuck :) I love domestic boxing battles!
 
richart said:
Are either boxers actually that good, world class, or is it just hype because they are both British ?
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mikee247 said:
I agree both are not specifically good fighters but Groves has the chance to be better as he is still in his fledgling years... Froch should retire after this one. When you compare them to Ward etc hes in a different league. I love the hype I think its all quite entertaining but Groves is no match for the experience and mind games of Froch out of the ring but I think if he can stay out of the way, not get in a brutal close encounter the he could actually beat him in it. He's quick, sharp and surprisingly tougher than Froch expected. I'm going for Groves on points (he wont knock him out) ..... but its nip and tuck :) I love domestic boxing battles!
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Who else?
 
I am so confused by the build up to this fight. Groves bleating on about how he battered Froch in the 1st fight and that he is faster and punches harder etc etc

If all that were correct he would have cleared Froch out in 6 (the worst round of his career according to Groves) let alone get beaten by him. Regardless of a controversial stoppage, if you were THAT much better then he should have finished it in Rd 1 when hehadhim on his arse.

Froch is much cooler and more calm this time. Groves has been embarrassing in head to head interviews.

I hope Froch batters him. However I think it will be very cagey as both have reason to fear the other.

Reluctantly I think Groves on points.
 
Birchy said:
I think he just means Ward :D
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Ok smart arse :rolleyes: - Ill spell it out and be more specific. Your right there is only one better fighter in the world than him and he has to fight him again to be the best in the world..... I dont think he can win that fight and he knows that otherwise he wouldn't be messing around with Groves.... and hence why its not happened. Ward wants the fight. When you look at middle and super middle weight world champion boxers over the decades many you would class as legends with exceptional speed and skill. Haggler, La motta, Calzage, Ward, Sugar Ray...Im not convinced in fact I know you couldn't add Froch to that list. He hasn't beaten any one of any substance. You could argue Kessler was a good fighter for sure but he lost the first fight with him as well. He should have wiped the floor with Groves in the first fight (he didnt) and he's not really that skilful or naturally talented.

No one can doubt his courage and warrior like approach. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy and have watched most of his fights. He's a true warrior yes and domestically the best fighter we've got at the moment at this weight.

Groves has the potential talent and youth on his side to go on further than Froch and be that top guy. We should get behind him to do that as a nation. To do it he has to beat Ward (if he beats Froch) and not mess around with De Gayle again. Just my 2p worth......
 
Robobum said:
I am so confused by the build up to this fight. Groves bleating on about how he battered Froch in the 1st fight and that he is faster and punches harder etc etc

If all that were correct he would have cleared Froch out in 6 (the worst round of his career according to Groves) let alone get beaten by him. Regardless of a controversial stoppage, if you were THAT much better then he should have finished it in Rd 1 when hehadhim on his arse.

Froch is much cooler and more calm this time. Groves has been embarrassing in head to head interviews.

I hope Froch batters him. However I think it will be very cagey as both have reason to fear the other.

Reluctantly I think Groves on points.
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The last fight was the worst beating Froch has ever taken, maybe Groves should of won. He was trying to get the knockout and I think he won't get dragged into a war this time because if there's one boxer you can't slug with it's Carl Froch

fundy said:
Think Groves had his chance and it passed him by, think he'll face a very different fighter this time and think Froch will win comfortably
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The thing is you don't know what the last fight took out of Froch, the only time we'll know is after the rematch
 
I thought Groves might win the first fight , i thought Froch wasnt taking him serious enough and he could cause an upset , since the first fight IMO groves has become too cocky , i think he had his chance and let it slip

Froch will better prepared this time IMO and will stop it round the 8th r 9th
 
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