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Never done a supplementary as I've just never really thought of doing one as I play comps every week.

So went out after work and did one with the old man and a friend, I wasn't expecting much as I was knackered after work.

Well...... I only went and shot a gross 78, nett 61!!

Everything just felt so easy and the couple of dodgy shots I did hit I just forgot about them and moved onto the next one.

Anyway enough trumpet blowing by me, that should be my season target reached of knocking 5 shots off my handicap :)
 
Nice one bozza, you showed all the signs at Rockcliffe, new target needed :D
 
Well done on the recent cuts.

But can I just ask one question? Why the need for a supplementary?

You've obviously played in the required number of comps to keep handicap active and there is bound to be plenty of comps left in the season to get a cut if you're up to it.
 
Like me I presume, I think bozza's goal is to lower the handicap, not to win comps!
 
bozza said:
Everything just felt so easy and the couple of dodgy shots I did hit I just forgot about them and moved onto the next one.
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.....which is exactly why I think these are a "fudge", do not reflect proper comps or playing ability under competition conditions and therefore result in inaccurate handicapping. Put together with the obvious abuse of the system at some places (picking and choosing which to put in etc) a bad, ill thought out idea. If clubs can't offer a competition calendar where you can get in 3 comps a year (should be more but that's another story) then something is wrong with the clubs not the system.

Still a good round btw so well done.
 
Fyldewhite said:
.....which is exactly why I think these are a "fudge", do not reflect proper comps or playing ability under competition conditions and therefore result in inaccurate handicapping. Put together with the obvious abuse of the system at some places (picking and choosing which to put in etc) a bad, ill thought out idea. If clubs can't offer a competition calendar where you can get in 3 comps a year (should be more but that's another story) then something is wrong with the clubs not the system.

Still a good round btw so well done.
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This is MY view also
Thought this supp card idea should only be used for those with issues/injuries that can't even manage to get 3 cards in
At my club, if I already have 3 qualifiers in, and asked my Sec about a supp card, he would tell me where to go, even he is dead against them



But
I don't want to rain on your parade entirely Bozza, as it was a great card to put together :thup:
I've played with you many times, and always scratched my head to work out how you ever got to be a 20 handicapper
So congrats mate


But as your handicap progress shows, playing handicap comp golf and getting cuts is normally a slow process
You have played in many comps this year, and achieved a very credible 3 shot cut, reduction
Yet.......by putting just this 1 supp card in, you will achieve a full 3 shot cut too.....!!
The leap from 20 to 17 is easier than the next 3 shot cut, yet you have done this in 1 go

I'm dead against supp cards as I've stated before
But nevertheless
Well done Bozza. (bandito)
 
rosecott said:
He can't.
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That maybe......
But
He would

He'd tell you, you already had enough cards in
Tell him you think you need one in as you feel playing under current h/cap, he'd tell you, great, play at the weekend and do it in a competition

Old school

Never said it was right
But this and worse happens at other clubs


Last season, somebody I know, at another club, got cut 8 shots on the basis of supplementary cards and even a couple of golf society scorecards
Yet.......he played over 20 competitions at his own "home" club, NEVER ONCE UNDER HANDICAP.......!!!!

Sorry
But that is exactly why I don't like the supp card system
 
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moogie said:
That maybe......
But
He would

Old school
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Old school?

I dare say he also ignores changes to the rules of golf.

Picking and choosing which parts of the CONGU regulations to observe is no different to deciding which rules of golf should apply to you.

Clubs sign up to CONGU by paying their affiliation fees - it's a 2-way charter.
 
richy said:
Well done on the recent cuts.

But can I just ask one question? Why the need for a supplementary?

You've obviously played in the required number of comps to keep handicap active and there is bound to be plenty of comps left in the season to get a cut if you're up to it.
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Just want to try get my handicap as low as possible this season, if I win anything it's a bonus.

Out of the 12 qualifiers I've played this year I've shot over h/c 3 times, got cut twice and buffered 7 times which would have resulted in cuts if I'd not had a blow up on 1 hole on nearly all of them.

That says to me I've got the ability to play from a lower h/c pretty easily hence the reason I stuck a supplementary in to try get it down a bit, I just wasn't expecting to play that well! :)
 
Also regrading people picking and choosing which supp cards to put in, our place is you have to sign it in a supplementary book before you play which is then checked by the h/c sec and checked that your card from that round was submitted.
 
bozza said:
Also regrading people picking and choosing which supp cards to put in, our place is you have to sign it in a supplementary book before you play which is then checked by the h/c sec and checked that your card from that round was submitted.
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That's the correct system but as highlighted above it does appear that some h/cap secs pick and choose which parts to abide by.
 
Fyldewhite said:
.....which is exactly why I think these are a "fudge", do not reflect proper comps or playing ability under competition conditions and therefore result in inaccurate handicapping. Put together with the obvious abuse of the system at some places (picking and choosing which to put in etc) a bad, ill thought out idea. If clubs can't offer a competition calendar where you can get in 3 comps a year (should be more but that's another story) then something is wrong with the clubs not the system.
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looks like we will have to disagree completely on this issue - no doubt your opinion is based on practical observation of how it's working in your club but, together with the ESRs, it's brought peace and tranquility back to our fair shores in the last 2 years!

we have fully integrated our Juniors, in line with England Golf recommendations, but relative to their senior counterparts they exhibit 2 traits - 1. they are generally rapid improvers and 2. they have additional periods of accelerated improvement based on the holiday periods!

the use of both of the above mechanisms has mean that they are now riding their handicap wave rather than handicaps constantly failing to keep up. they may still win - but by 2 shots not 10!

overall monitoring has (up until the last time it was reviewed) shown that
1. everyone who has had an ESR has subsequently got a further cut through playing better than their new handicap in competition (this includes non juniors)
2. everyone who has been cut from a supplemental card has subsequently got a further cut through playing better than their new handicap in competition
3. complaints about juniors winning all the competitions have all but ceased and a genuinely integrated environment now exists.

anyone can abuse any system; however it's hard to see how such abuse can actually benefit anyone in this instance.
 
duncan mackie said:
looks like we will have to disagree completely on this issue - no doubt your opinion is based on practical observation of how it's working in your club but, together with the ESRs, it's brought peace and tranquility back to our fair shores in the last 2 years!
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Probably! It's basically not operated at our club. No blanket ban per se but we put no process in place when it was introduced in 2008 and have never publicised it to members. As far as I know none of our members have ever questioned this. It was introduced along with active/inactive handicaps and IMO only to enable occasional players at posh clubs that play a monthly medal and that's your lot to keep an active handicap.....like I said a fudge to keep Colonel Bloggs and his mates happy.

OK, it's evolved slightly in the last revision and the good things coming out of it at your club are great but none of that was the reasons for it's introduction in the first place. Good that it helps with juniors and can see it may have merit in that and I agree that ESR is helping things though IMO basically doing what a good handicap committee should be doing anyway but maybe in a more standard and consistent fashion.

I still maintain that a) if clubs offer enough comps it isn't needed, b) it offers an easier way to reduce your handicap than playing in comps alone.
Q. Why it isn't in place for Cat 1?
A. See above.

As you said, we'll have to agree to differ :D . Interested in other views though.
 
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