First supplementary card.

[Old Skier]

Like all things it is open to abuse. We have some who are hammering supp cards to get their handicap up. There are others that go and, do them of they yellows, get cut and wonder why they struggle off the comp tees.

Clubs need to control this more and have a good written policy in place. I don't see the point really in those that enter regular Q's putting in supp's and I would prefer it changed to a max of one a month with a limit of 5 but that's just me.

We also charge a nominal £1 per card (money into section funds) for the privilege as those who enter Q's pay for the privilege.

 

[moogie]

Old school?

I dare say he also ignores changes to the rules of golf.

Picking and choosing which parts of the CONGU regulations to observe is no different to deciding which rules of golf should apply to you.

Clubs sign up to CONGU by paying their affiliation fees - it's a 2-way charter.

Look, you can pick any parts of my post you wish
I didn't say he was acting within the rules or outside
I'm just telling you how it is

The rest of my post is just MY opinion, which I believe I'm entitled to

I note you make no comment against the example I quoted you

Also, would a handicap secretary not be sceptical of a nett 61 supplementary card if this was way below any previous or current competition form......??
Would it be treated with caution....??
Or just a straight forward big cut....??

I've voiced my opinion in the past regarding supplementary cards, and I'm totally against, especially if a player has his necessary cards already in
Nothing you say will sway me in that respect

 

[moogie]

Like all things it is open to abuse. We have some who are hammering supp cards to get their handicap up. There are others that go and, do them of they yellows, get cut and wonder why they struggle off the comp tees.

Clubs need to control this more and have a good written policy in place. I don't see the point really in those that enter regular Q's putting in supp's and I would prefer it changed to a max of one a month with a limit of 5 but that's just me.

We also charge a nominal £1 per card (money into section funds) for the privilege as those who enter Q's pay for the privilege.

Good post
I agree with nearly all you have written
Common sense. :thup:

 

[MendieGK]

Probably! It's basically not operated at our club. No blanket ban per se but we put no process in place when it was introduced in 2008 and have never publicised it to members. As far as I know none of our members have ever questioned this. It was introduced along with active/inactive handicaps and IMO only to enable occasional players at posh clubs that play a monthly medal and that's your lot to keep an active handicap.....like I said a fudge to keep Colonel Bloggs and his mates happy.

OK, it's evolved slightly in the last revision and the good things coming out of it at your club are great but none of that was the reasons for it's introduction in the first place. Good that it helps with juniors and can see it may have merit in that and I agree that ESR is helping things though IMO basically doing what a good handicap committee should be doing anyway but maybe in a more standard and consistent fashion.

I still maintain that a) if clubs offer enough comps it isn't needed, b) it offers an easier way to reduce your handicap than playing in comps alone.
Q. Why it isn't in place for Cat 1?
A. See above.

As you said, we'll have to agree to differ . Interested in other views though.

As i Cat1 golfer i have absolutely no issues with supplementary cards. your point around it being an easier way to reduce your handicap SHOULD be completely redundant, you play in competition conditions as you are supposed to register the round before you tee off, and if you dont play well you get .1

clubs that wont let you do them, are unfairly discriminating against its members.

Golf is a competition against ourselves, no one has ever asked me, how many trophies i have won, they ask what your handicap is.... so to treat a competition round differently to a supplementary seems very strange to me.

 

[rosecott]

Also, would a handicap secretary not be sceptical of a nett 61 supplementary card if this was way below any previous or current competition form......??
Would it be treated with caution....??
Or just a straight forward big cut....??

Would he also be sceptical of a nett 61 in a medal QR?

After all, both rounds would be observed and marked by another club member. Or are you implying some agreement between the player and his marker to falsify the score.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Why are people so concerned about other people having "too low" a handicap?

If you think that bozza has a handicap he won't play too, then he won't compete in competitions! If he does compete, then clearly he deserved the cut.

I've been told before that people do have a tendency to naturally play to their handicap over a period, so it could be that by having a much lower handicap, bozza will learn to play to it, instead of relying on a "crutch" of 20 shots.

 

[rosecott]

Probably! It's basically not operated at our club. No blanket ban per se but we put no process in place when it was introduced in 2008 and have never publicised it to members.

Another case of a club picking and choosing which parts of CONGU regulations to observe. The introduction of the Supplementary system laid down a requirement for the club to put a system in place. I suppose the club could get away with deciding not to go out of their way to make members aware of the opportunity to submit Supplementaries but to refuse to implement a mandatory system suggests a "we know better than anyone else" attitude.

 

[moogie]

Would he also be sceptical of a nett 61 in a medal QR?


I'd say he should be, yes, if the member had a long history that was nowhere near this level


After all, both rounds would be observed and marked by another club member. Or are you implying some agreement between the player and his marker to falsify the score.

I'm implying nothing of the sort so don't go trying to put words in my mouth......!!
Especially not in this instance as I know Bozza and what he was capable of

That's not to say that it's not all too easy to do this should anybody wish, but this could just as easily be done in a comp too

But if anybody can shoot good scores in supplementary rounds but not the same level in a competition round, regardless of what anybody says, that's telling you there's a different pressure in a comp, a different mindset or attitude, and I fail to see the need for them

We must have 60 plus qualifiers at my club
If that's not enough to satisfy someone's needs then I'd suggest golf club membership isn't for them

No doubt you will try to twist something in this post too, so it's probably my last one

 

[Fyldewhite]

As i Cat1 golfer i have absolutely no issues with supplementary cards. your point around it being an easier way to reduce your handicap SHOULD be completely redundant, you play in competition conditions as you are supposed to register the round before you tee off, and if you dont play well you get .1

Sorry, don't agree. I'm not implying any funny business (which is another issue and as you say should be controlled) but 4 shots left with 4 holes to go is ENTIRELY different in terms of pressure if you are playing a Captain's Qualifier, a Wednesday Medal, a Major Board Comp or simply out with your best mate trying to reduce your handicap. A 67 or 66 is a good score and happy either way for a reduction but is maybe difference between 1st/2nd, qualifying or not qualifying in a proper comp. Ergo, less pressure and easier.

Another case of a club picking and choosing which parts of CONGU regulations to observe. The introduction of the Supplementary system laid down a requirement for the club to put a system in place. I suppose the club could get away with deciding not to go out of their way to make members aware of the opportunity to submit Supplementaries but to refuse to implement a mandatory system suggests a "we know better than anyone else" attitude.

Right with you and wouldn't advocate a blanket ban. The fact that nobody has ever requested we provide this facility speaks volumes though.

But if anybody can shoot good scores in supplementary rounds but not the same level in a competition round, regardless of what anybody says, that's telling you there's a different pressure in a comp, a different mindset or attitude, and I fail to see the need for them

We must have 60 plus qualifiers at my club
If that's not enough to satisfy someone's needs then I'd suggest golf club membership isn't for them

No doubt you will try to twist something in this post too, so it's probably my last one

Fully agree.

 

[MendieGK]

Sorry, don't agree. I'm not implying any funny business (which is another issue and as you say should be controlled) but 4 shots left with 4 holes to go is ENTIRELY different in terms of pressure if you are playing a Captain's Qualifier, a Wednesday Medal, a Major Board Comp or simply out with your best mate trying to reduce your handicap. A 67 or 66 is a good score and happy either way for a reduction but is maybe difference between 1st/2nd, qualifying or not qualifying in a proper comp. Ergo, less pressure and easier.



Right with you and wouldn't advocate a blanket ban. The fact that nobody has ever requested we provide this facility speaks volumes though.



Fully agree.

Maybe i am the exception but the last thing on my mind when i play golf is winning the medal, or a major board comp. leave that to the higher handicappers. the only thing is care about is my handicap, its the only trophy that matters. the only exception is the club champs as its scratch and generally you are playing with the people you need to beat.

i did supplementaries when they were available for Cat1s, and i can ensure you i got more nervous with a good score than i ever would when i've been in with a chance to win £20 credit in the pro shop.

i am guessing your club has midweek medals, they are no different to a supplementary card other than the fact you might win a bit of shop credit - if that is what drives you, then that is very strange

 

[bozza]

Well I've had my legs chopped!

2.7 cut then another 0.5 cut for ESR.

So down to 13.7 now.

Looking forward to the 36 hole medal comp I have on Sunday now! Haha.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

.....which is exactly why I think these are a "fudge", do not reflect proper comps or playing ability under competition conditions and therefore result in inaccurate handicapping. Put together with the obvious abuse of the system at some places (picking and choosing which to put in etc) a bad, ill thought out idea. If clubs can't offer a competition calendar where you can get in 3 comps a year (should be more but that's another story) then something is wrong with the clubs not the system.

Still a good round btw so well done.

Surely you need to sign the book to say you will be putting in the supplementary - you then have a card in your hand

 

[moogie]

Well I've had my legs chopped!

2.7 cut then another 0.5 cut for ESR.

So down to 13.7 now.

Looking forward to the 36 hole medal comp I have on Sunday now! Haha.

Well done mate
How the hell u were ever off 20 is beyond me mind

Good luck weekend

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But if anybody can shoot good scores in supplementary rounds but not the same level in a competition round, regardless of what anybody says, that's telling you there's a different pressure in a comp, a different mindset or attitude, and I fail to see the need for them

We must have 60 plus qualifiers at my club
If that's not enough to satisfy someone's needs then I'd suggest golf club membership isn't for them

No doubt you will try to twist something in this post too, so it's probably my last one

I put regular supplementaries onto the system and it's rare they are very low scores , most use them them to get HC active

We have a lot of 5 day members and they have one qualifier a month - that's it so supplementaries are useful for them.

 

[bozza]

Well done mate
How the hell u were ever off 20 is beyond me mind

Good luck weekend

Cheers mate.

Just seems to be since I started seeing a new pro at the back end of last year it's brought my game on loads.

Always had people saying I shouldn't be off such a high h/c but I could never seem to do it in comps.

Now I'm doing it more in comps it's giving me the belief I can get a lot lower.

 

[Beezerk]

Excellent shooting mate, chuffed for you. Not surprised to be honest seeing how you played at Rockliffe.

 

[DanFST]

Good shooting well done. RE: the complaints about supplementery cards.

I recently joined a club with a few friends, We play struggle to get weekends free to play together. When we play golf, we want to play a fun four ball together, not waste weekends playing in a comp, that none of us have any intention of winning/ taking is massively seriously.

If no ones hungover, we can declare a supplementary and get a measure of our progress/normal failure. If my club said this wasn't allowed as has been suggested above, i'd be incredibly annoyed and move.

 

[Hobbit]

Well done mate
How the hell u were ever off 20 is beyond me mind

Good luck weekend

Wot the Moog sez.

I guess you just needed that bit of self belief.

 

[rosecott]

Right with you and wouldn't advocate a blanket ban. The fact that nobody has ever requested we provide this facility speaks volumes though.

I'm not seeking to turn this into a slanging match but surely a club has a responsibility to inform members that changes to the CONGU handicap system offer opportunities not previously available. You cannot expect members to request a facility if you refuse to let them know it's available. You cannot expect your members to always be checking the CONGU website to find out things the club should be telling their members.

 

[RGDave]

Well I've had my legs chopped!

2.7 cut then another 0.5 cut for ESR.

So down to 13.7 now.

Looking forward to the 36 hole medal comp I have on Sunday now! Haha.

Well done bozza.

I had my arm twisted to play a supplementary card recently. When I turned up and filled in the book, they told me to play off yellows.

You can guess what I said to that ....No way!

My best off Yellow is 77 and my best off Whites is 82. I'm not looking to get cut, obviously.