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Fiona Bruce Question Time

there was a local news story a couple of weeks ago where a fish processing plant in Dingwall was closing, the local MSP was interviewed and complained it would be devastating for the local economy , every worker interviewed was Eastern European, later in the piece it was even stated the 90% of the workforce was migrant Eastern European workers.
 
Some great points. With regard to the influx of Eastern European workers, I'm not sure how this happens. Why are so many jobs taken? How does one warehouse take on so many from abroad? Do these foreign workers drive down wages or are the business owners responsible?
My guess, may be wrong, is that the jobs started out by workers from eastern Europe being recruited and supplied by a third party, a gangmaster is the crude term, and have accepted those terms en masse, like Auf Wiedersehen Pet for the modern era, no questions asked. They may now have settled here but originally that would not have been the case. Any chance of getting a decent wage has gone if there is an endless supply of workers prepared to accept bottom rung wages and terms. If you don't like it there are more to replace you on the same terms.

We have a fish processing factory on our industrial estate. They have a good number of Polish workers in there. They are on minimum wage, dropped off and collected by mini bus so I suspect there could be someone 'managing' them, sharing houses etc. It's a bit grim.

In answer to your last question, I'd say it is both.
 
there was a local news story a couple of weeks ago where a fish processing plant in Dingwall was closing, the local MSP was interviewed and complained it would be devastating for the local economy , every worker interviewed was Eastern European, later in the piece it was even stated the 90% of the workforce was migrant Eastern European workers.
But is it the case, like the fruit picking down here, that locals dont want these "menial" jobs and if the Eastern European labour wasnt brought in the jobs wouldnt get done?
 
But is it the case, like the fruit picking down here, that locals dont want these "menial" jobs and if the Eastern European labour wasnt brought in the jobs wouldnt get done?
Slightly different in that fruit picking is temporary work, as well as being blooming hard. If you are unemployed is it worth the hassle of coming out of the system for 3 weeks on minimum wage for something that cripples your back? Permanent work is a different beast.
 
Meanwhile DA continues to fan the flames and call up the racist card. I saw the full programme and didn't see FB act out of line.
 
But is it the case, like the fruit picking down here, that locals dont want these "menial" jobs and if the Eastern European labour wasnt brought in the jobs wouldnt get done?

not really the factory has been there for a while and isn't seasonal, just found it strange that 90% of employees are EE in a small highland town, theres not much else but tourism which is seasonal
 
But is it the case, like the fruit picking down here, that locals dont want these "menial" jobs and if the Eastern European labour wasnt brought in the jobs wouldnt get done?
I live in an area where there are a great many fruit farms. Traditionally the picking was done by Travelers but since Gordon and Tony made the Welfare system reward staying at home they prefer to stay at home.
 
Meanwhile DA continues to fan the flames and call up the racist card. I saw the full programme and didn't see FB act out of line.
There are accusations regarding the warm up act & jokes by Fiona Bruce before the show started.
Also, the beeb have apologised regarding FB incorrectly interrupting DA regarding the polls.
 
Slightly different in that fruit picking is temporary work, as well as being blooming hard. If you are unemployed is it worth the hassle of coming out of the system for 3 weeks on minimum wage for something that cripples your back? Permanent work is a different beast.
Maybe, but the point is that up until some years ago Londoners and the localsl would do the fruit picking in the summer, then as society has changed they stopped doing it. When the farmers had fruit going to waste they had to do something , and now the defacto call is for the Eastern Europeans who do the work without question. The issue isn't how much or hard the work is, it's that locals dont want the work. The problem then is complicated because obviously not every foriegn worker goes straight back home and temporary work becomes full time work.
 
Is there anyone in here from Derby that can explain what personal experience they have that says they'd be better out of the EU? I'm genuinely interested.

Sort of Derby, work for RR here and voted leave.

Wouldn’t know if I’m going to be better off or not. I didn’t vote on whether I’d be better off. I voted the way I did because I don’t think that other countries should have a say in Britain’s laws. I don’t think we should be handing over billions to Europe. I don’t think we should have free movement.

I’ve more chance of being worse off than better off.
If Scotland gets a second vote on independence and becomes independent after brexit, then its possible I could be out of a job.

Leaving the EU is like the Rolls Royce restructuring. Too many middle management and paper chasers that need cutting lose.
 
Maybe, but the point is that up until some years ago Londoners and the localsl would do the fruit picking in the summer, then as society has changed they stopped doing it. When the farmers had fruit going to waste they had to do something , and now the defacto call is for the Eastern Europeans who do the work without question. The issue isn't how much or hard the work is, it's that locals dont want the work. The problem then is complicated because obviously not every foriegn worker goes straight back home and temporary work becomes full time work.
I'm sure you are right. I suspect that delays in benefit payments when you go off and then come back on them has made that temporary type of job more unattractive as well.

Fruit picking jobs are a different one, I would argue, to the original question posed by Bluewolf as those were permanent jobs. Fruit picking is very temporary, very seasonal whereas the Sports Direct style of job is more permanent, even though it may well by zero hours still.
 
I'm sure you are right. I suspect that delays in benefit payments when you go off and then come back on them has made that temporary type of job more unattractive as well.

Fruit picking jobs are a different one, I would argue, to the original question posed by Bluewolf as those were permanent jobs. Fruit picking is very temporary, very seasonal whereas the Sports Direct style of job is more permanent, even though it may well by zero hours still.
Yes, I agree fruit picking is seasona;, I use it as an example of loacals not wanting to do anything legal they can to earn money.
If you want a full time example, why are all the street cleaning personel Eastern European? It may not be a fantastic job, but if you need full employment and money coming in why would you turn your nose up at it?
 
Yes, I agree fruit picking is seasona;, I use it as an example of loacals not wanting to do anything legal they can to earn money.
If you want a full time example, why are all the street cleaning personel Eastern European? It may not be a fantastic job, but if you need full employment and money coming in why would you turn your nose up at it?
Don't know regarding that one. Up here they are still locals doing that job, in my town and in Newcastle on the occasions I am there, but we don't have anywhere near the number of Eastern Europeans as you will have down in Kent. Perfectly decent job, no reason not to take it.
 
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