Fiona Bruce Question Time

[IanM]

Diane has made the most of her talents, have some respect!

 

[Deleted member 18645]

Definition of a racist - "anyone who asks Diane Abbott a difficult question".

 

[Hobbit]

I don't like Abbott's politics, nor her racist rants, and she's definitely in the wrong position as Shadow Howm Sec but have a look at her record on working for mental health initiatives. She has done an excellent job, and I guess if that's anything to go by she might well be very good at constituency level.

Bit like Corbyn, wrong person in the wrong job.

 

[bluewolf]

I don't like Abbott's politics, nor her racist rants, and she's definitely in the wrong position as Shadow Howm Sec but have a look at her record on working for mental health initiatives. She has done an excellent job, and I guess if that's anything to go by she might well be very good at constituency level.

Bit like Corbyn, wrong person in the wrong job.

There are several examples of this in the current Government and Shadow Government. Grayling being the obvious one. Abbot just seems to cop more flack than the others.

 

[Rlburnside]

I don't like Abbott's politics, nor her racist rants, and she's definitely in the wrong position as Shadow Howm Sec but have a look at her record on working for mental health initiatives. She has done an excellent job, and I guess if that's anything to go by she might well be very good at constituency level.

Bit like Corbyn, wrong person in the wrong job.

Yes I agree to many people are to quick to condem her, I am certainly no fan of hers and she shouldn't be in the shadow cabinet but she is a good constituency MP.



I've always voted Labour but will have to think hard next time as Corbyn with Abbott alongside will be unelectable imo.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

There are several examples of this in the current Government and Shadow Government. Grayling being the obvious one. Abbot just seems to cop more flack than the others.

Very true, I have often wondered why that is.

 

[Tashyboy]

Oh dear.
Derby audience actually cheering for a No Deal Brexit.
I am not sure that Rolls Royce, Toyota etc would be agreeing.

You see Doon instead of coming out with a comment like that, instead of mocking it, ask yourself a question based on why the people of Derby that have rolls Royce and Toyota on its doorstep cheer at the prospect of a no deal. Because the people of Derby through personal experience believe they would be better off out of Europe.
I have always said that I sit on the fence to see both sides of a arguement. On QT the other night a guy said it is about time MPs of all parties looked inwards and not outwards to try and find a deal. The same should be said of both Brexiteers and remainers who keep banging the same drum. Look at why people voted remain or Brexit. Try to see why people voted the way they did. But the bottom line is. We voted leave.

 

[bluewolf]

You see Doon instead of coming out with a comment like that, instead of mocking it, ask yourself a question based on why the people of Derby that have rolls Royce and Toyota on its doorstep cheer at the prospect of a no deal. Because the people of Derby through personal experience believe they would be better off out of Europe.
I have always said that I sit on the fence to see both sides of a arguement. On QT the other night a guy said it is about time MPs of all parties looked inwards and not outwards to try and find a deal. The same should be said of both Brexiteers and remainers who keep banging the same drum. Look at why people voted remain or Brexit. Try to see why people voted the way they did. But the bottom line is. We voted leave.

Is there anyone in here from Derby that can explain what personal experience they have that says they'd be better out of the EU? I'm genuinely interested.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Is there anyone in here from Derby that can explain what personal experience they have that says they'd be better out of the EU? I'm genuinely interested.

I can't answer for Derby but when the Sunderland breakdown came through, similar situation, the question was asked a great deal up here. I think a great deal had little to do with Brexit and more to do with a general breakdown in trust with those in power. The people of Sunderland felt neglected by those in power. They felt they hadn't benefited from being in Europe, were neglected by central govt so why the hell not vote to leave, to give the govt a bloody nose. They felt they had little to lose. Remember for all those employed by Nissan there are many more who have no link. This was revenge against the establishment, not necessarily a great desire to leave the eu.

Others may read it a different way, Derby may be a different case, but listening to many in Sunderland it is a view that has some merit imo.

 

[bluewolf]

I can't answer for Derby but when the Sunderland breakdown came through, similar situation, the question was asked a great deal up here. I think a great deal had little to do with Brexit and more to do with a general breakdown in trust with those in power. The people of Sunderland felt neglected by those in power. They felt they hadn't benefited from being in Europe, were neglected by central govt so why the hell not vote to leave, to give the govt a bloody nose. They felt they had little to lose. Remember for all those employed by Nissan there are many more who have no link. This was revenge against the establishment, not necessarily a great desire to leave the eu.

Others may read it a different way, Derby may be a different case, but listening to many in Sunderland it is a view that has some merit imo.

Thanks LT. That's pretty much what I was thinking. It's as much a rejection of the Government(s) as it is of the EU for some.

Anyone else? From Derby?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I’m Derby born and bred.
I can think of many issues in Derby which need sorting, but none are EU related as far as I understand them.

The biggest problems we have are due to lack of finance coming from central government, and miss management of the few funds available by the previous labour government.
We also have a very high Somali and Pakistani population in what were once decent areas. But no longer.

These are reasons I believe UKIP and the Tories did well at the last council election.

But Rolls Royce, Bombarier, the Rail ways and Toyota have always been big employers in Derby. So why people want to risk them leaving I don’t know?

Ps Rolls Royce get an awful lot of grants from the EU. Hundreds of millions, per a RR financial director I know!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I’m Derby born and bred.
I can think of many issues in Derby which need sorting, but none are EU related as far as I understand them.

The biggest problems we have are due to lack of finance coming from central government, and miss management of the few funds available by the previous labour government.
We also have a very high Somali and Pakistani population in what were once decent areas. But no longer.

These are reasons I believe UKIP and the Tories did well at the last council election.

But Rolls Royce, Bombarier, the Rail ways and Toyota have always been big employers in Derby. So why people want to risk them leaving I don’t know?

Ps Rolls Royce get an awful lot of grants from the EU. Hundreds of millions, per a RR financial director I know!

Thanks James, I had forgotten that Derby was a strong rail works town.
They took a lot of work away from Swindon resulting in the closure of their works.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see that QT have apologised for Fiona inferring that polls have the Tories in the lead.
Some polls have Labour in the lead they say.
How refreshing.

 

[Tashyboy]

Thanks LT. That's pretty much what I was thinking. It's as much a rejection of the Government(s) as it is of the EU for some.

Anyone else? From Derby?

bluey. I think LT has hit the nail on the head. About four mile from
Where i live is Mike Ashleys Sports direct warehouse. It must be one if the biggest in the country. It was built on the site if Shirebrook colliery. It was intended to fill the void re loss of employment to the miners. It must be 90% foreign workers from all over europe. Prominently eastern. The town/ village has changed completely. The locals are bogged off. It has done nothing but fill Ashleys pockets. I have no doubt that some EU money has been invested in this country. But as i have asked before. What is the benefits to the normal man on the street.
Also and i dont know the answer to this Question. Would Nissan. Toyota and Rolls Royce of had any EU money to help them set up factories in Derby and Sunderland.

 

[bluewolf]

bluey. I think LT has hit the nail on the head. About four mile from
Where i live is Mike Ashleys Sports direct warehouse. It must be one if the biggest in the country. It was built on the site if Shirebrook colliery. It was intended to fill the void re loss of employment to the miners. It must be 90% foreign workers from all over europe. Prominently eastern. The town/ village has changed completely. The locals are bogged off. It has done nothing but fill Ashleys pockets. I have no doubt that some EU money has been invested in this country. But as i have asked before. What is the benefits to the normal man on the street.
Also and i dont know the answer to this Question. Would Nissan. Toyota and Rolls Royce of had any EU money to help them set up factories in Derby and Sunderland.

Some great points. With regard to the influx of Eastern European workers, I'm not sure how this happens. Why are so many jobs taken? How does one warehouse take on so many from abroad? Do these foreign workers drive down wages or are the business owners responsible?

 

[Tashyboy]

Some great points. With regard to the influx of Eastern European workers, I'm not sure how this happens. Why are so many jobs taken? How does one warehouse take on so many from abroad? Do these foreign workers drive down wages or are the business owners responsible?

I think Ashleys work contracts are well recorded. As are the wages he pays. They are a pittance. Some miners retired so never needed to work. Some moved to places like railways and Toyota. But the town itself has changed and the locals are not happy. Having said that. Coming out of the EU. I cannot see it changing.

 

[Jacko_G]

standard BBC....why balance it out when you can be biased as usual.

Just like the referendum up here.

 

[bluewolf]

I think Ashleys work contracts are well recorded. As are the wages he pays. They are a pittance. Some miners retired so never needed to work. Some moved to places like railways and Toyota. But the town itself has changed and the locals are not happy. Having said that. Coming out of the EU. I cannot see it changing.

When the business I worked at closed 4 years ago, they moved to a site near Sheffield. They got several sizeable grants as they opened in a former colliery town and retrained numerous former miners. They also took the opportunity to cut wages by 30% plus and dropped minimum staffing levels.

 

[drdel]

Some great points. With regard to the influx of Eastern European workers, I'm not sure how this happens. Why are so many jobs taken? How does one warehouse take on so many from abroad? Do these foreign workers drive down wages or are the business owners responsible?

A bit of both. If you have a number of different nationalities on site it is costly to translate everything. If (for example) a Polish worker is promoted they will tend to employ more Poles. I've seen numerous adverts for warehouse staff only written in Polish : because of the PC debate no one dares to publically challenge it.

 

[bluewolf]

A bit of both. If you have a number of different nationalities on site it is costly to translate everything. If (for example) a Polish worker is promoted they will tend to employ more Poles. I've seen numerous adverts for warehouse staff only written in Polish : because of the PC debate no one dares to publically challenge it.

The factory I work at employs a mix of British and European workers. All supplied by a local agency. All are expected to have a decent grasp of English. We have no interpreters but we aren't an large employer TBH.