ScienceBoy
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Ams smarterer than the avrage siuntist
fade over draw
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Ams smarterer than the avrage siuntist
kid2
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birdieman
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I'm not anti-fade at all, I will use one to a right side flag or when there is a right to left crosswind.
The fade is better in the wind thing is not always the case, the modern golf ball has become so wind stable that either shape can be played equally.
Kenny Perry plays a mental draw and never won diddly until the advent of the modern ball, then he won heaps.
Rory and GMac are natural drawers I think but are both great wind players.
Stand by my statement that many players who move the ball left to right cannot draw it because of physical limitations with their bodies mobility (or lack of).
Best position is being able to do either but sticking with your natural shape 80% of the time imo.
The fade is better in the wind thing is not always the case, the modern golf ball has become so wind stable that either shape can be played equally.
Kenny Perry plays a mental draw and never won diddly until the advent of the modern ball, then he won heaps.
Rory and GMac are natural drawers I think but are both great wind players.
Stand by my statement that many players who move the ball left to right cannot draw it because of physical limitations with their bodies mobility (or lack of).
Best position is being able to do either but sticking with your natural shape 80% of the time imo.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Call Jack Nicklaus and tell him what he was doing wrong all those years.
Even Monty didn't do too bad with a fade
kid2
Money List Winner
And even he says dont fight a fade....Plus his divots are way left also.
bobmac
Major Champion
A fade imho is a shot that starts a little left of target and finishes on target.
How you do it is up to you
chrisd
Major Champion
I suppose you wouldnt have a diagram to show us, would you James?
Chris
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JT77
Tour Winner
most people i know that play left to right dont play a fade its a slice!
I think a lot of amatuers want to draw the ball to get more roll, and think that if they can hit draw it goes further.
I love hitting a fade with my irons into the greens, but I really have to try, i worked last year on it and had it down pretty well, but changed my irons and have gone back to my stock draw and i am nowhaving to work with that. I like hitting a draw off the tee as I get a lower ball flight and that bit extra roll with the driver, other than that, i would happily play a fade through the rest of the bag.
I think a lot of amatuers want to draw the ball to get more roll, and think that if they can hit draw it goes further.
I love hitting a fade with my irons into the greens, but I really have to try, i worked last year on it and had it down pretty well, but changed my irons and have gone back to my stock draw and i am nowhaving to work with that. I like hitting a draw off the tee as I get a lower ball flight and that bit extra roll with the driver, other than that, i would happily play a fade through the rest of the bag.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
The better players hit a push-fade.
If you think of a standard hacker hitting a fade the ball generally starts LEFT of their toe-line as they are practically pulling across themselves with an out-to-in path, eg: a PULL-fade. The better player will open their stance and basically hit the ball out to the right... with an in-to-out swingpath at impact (ball hit on the back side of the arc with an open clubface), PUSH-fade.
Here's Fred Couples hitting his standard push-fade...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sskWanNH6WU
Check where the ball starts compared to his toe-line, no sign of a pull there and yet he hits a shot that moves left to right in the air... a push-fade.
another one (the flag is on the very right edge of the green).. check out where the feet are lined up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzrMqHpPjWA
another one.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZpj2ygx00 (from 40 seconds)
Another one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OXz7GO4Lf0
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I've been struggling with my driving lately, hitting the ball way too low, getting no height at all. Tried a variety of things to get a better trajectory to no avail.
I have a tendency to address the ball with a closed stance so have been working on opening it up a little and also opening up the driver face very slightly. It feels like I am aiming way left, but in reality I don't suppose I am. It's amazing the difference it has made, and if I keep my swing under control I am getting a lovely, controlled fade. Not a slice but it's starting down the left hand side and coming back beautifully to the middle of the fairway. When I hit one of those, I love it. I am getting decent distance (for me) and the more I try it, the better the results are getting. I couldn't do it at East Brighton by the way. Crap day with the driver. But on Wednesday at Copthorne I hit a couple of really big ones which enabled me on one hole to go for a par 5 in two with a great chance of making it, which is something I haven't done in ages.
The feeling of standing slightly open is allowing me to get right through the hitting area, something I couldn't do when I was standing "closed" because everything kinda got jammed up.
I have a tendency to address the ball with a closed stance so have been working on opening it up a little and also opening up the driver face very slightly. It feels like I am aiming way left, but in reality I don't suppose I am. It's amazing the difference it has made, and if I keep my swing under control I am getting a lovely, controlled fade. Not a slice but it's starting down the left hand side and coming back beautifully to the middle of the fairway. When I hit one of those, I love it. I am getting decent distance (for me) and the more I try it, the better the results are getting. I couldn't do it at East Brighton by the way. Crap day with the driver. But on Wednesday at Copthorne I hit a couple of really big ones which enabled me on one hole to go for a par 5 in two with a great chance of making it, which is something I haven't done in ages.
The feeling of standing slightly open is allowing me to get right through the hitting area, something I couldn't do when I was standing "closed" because everything kinda got jammed up.
Ronnoc1980
Challenge Tour Pro
Been working my nuts off to change to a fade with the big dog, as I find the bad shot is not as bad as the nasty pull hook that keeps going into the weeds! My new shape was going just fine untill I hit the challange that is Forest Pines where most holes require a DRAW god damm that place! lol
Toby_LeRhone
Head Pro
Hitting it straight also has its merits.
Only when it's done in the solitude of a range with a cheapo launch monitor and your swing speed is 145 mph and you are crashing it 305 yards on the fly
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Why would you not want to hit it straight on the course? I can't consistently hit one shape or the other so it's what I try to do. Am I doing it all wrong
