European Super League

[fundy]

get Kroenke Out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Liverbirdie]

get Kroenke Out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed, anyone with a Tash that has its own postcode is a wrong 'un.

 

[fundy]

Agreed, anyone with a Tash that has its own postcode is a wrong 'un.

thats the least of his faults lol

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Dont get me wrong there is some bollocks getting spouted on this Phil, but things need to settle down, then when calmer heads rule, SOMETHING still needs doing, it can't just be forgotten about with a an insincere apology (by some, not all).

Yep agree - but right now sky are still intent on keep opening up the wound to make it worse.

It’s happened - the clubs pulled out , there will be something down with the clubs but the rules and regulations need to be changed. But I have no idea what they will try to bring in - certainly don’t trust the government or the Prem league or FA , so who sorts it out

Hopefully they will also react towards racism with the same gusto and verve but I doubt it

 

[Deleted member 16999]

No its bloody not, where did you get that from. FFP was also a premiership system.

It was also managed totally wrong by both.

When City were found guilty they were hit with a fine and a CL ban, charged by UEFA, no PL charges.

 

[Liverbirdie]

The worst thing we can do now is think that UEFA, FIFA, the FA, Sky, BT, Boris Johnson and West ham are our saviours. God forbid.

We need to use this possible once in a lifetime opportunity to get the (sensible) fans involved more at board and association level domestically and internationally, as well as putting in place a salary cap., amongst many, many other things.

 

[Liverbirdie]

When City were found guilty they were hit with a fine and a CL ban, charged by UEFA, no PL charges.

And after the appeal the prem said they were waiting to see how that went with UEFA, but they bottled it.

Fining trillionaires who overspend - yes, that'll show them!!!!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The worst thing we can do now is think that UEFA, FIFA, the FA, Sky, BT, Boris Johnson and West ham are our saviours. God forbid.

We need to use this possible once in a lifetime opportunity to get the (sensible) fans involved more at board and association level domestically and internationally, as well as putting in place a salary cap., amongst many, many other things.

Salary cap has to be implemented at every single big league as well - also need agent fees looking at.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Maybe DONT leave it to the other clubs, not only might they go too far, but should they be judge, jury and executioner?

You saw how West ham acted last year when it came down to null and void, due to their perilous relegation situation.

By all means involve them in the conversation, but the decision and findings shouldnt be carried out by them.

Say they said a 30 point deduction for the next 10 years for all 6? mad example, but I'm sorry, be careful what you wish for.

No matter, SOMETHING should be done, an apology isnt enough, sanctions will punish the wrong people, and justice meted out by "concerned parties" who can also benefit from it - Madness!!!!!

Think WW1 / Clemenceau / Treaty of Versailles = WW2, Hitler etc.

Restructure and re-organisation is whats needed - UEFA being held to account more, better distribution of wealth, ticket prices, agents and their fees, World cup finals allocation, and finally a SALARY CAP will go a long way to helping everything. I would gues that 80% of the increased money in the game has gone players and agents. Great once the grounds needed rebuilding, but as that is more than 60-70% done, everything is now going to players wages, agents, hangers on and owners.

What I mean by leave it to the others Clubs is give them the choice over money, not bans etc, we keep hearing they’ll be better off, they’ll lose out, etc, so put it to them and see just how much money talks.

Written badly by me.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And after the appeal the prem said they were waiting to see how that went with UEFA, but they bottled it.

Fining trillionaires who overspend - yes, that'll show them!!!!

So with City overturning the fine and CL ban on appeal with the CAS saying City did not breach ffp but did show blatant disregard, the PL will do nothing, they haven’t got a chance.

 

[Blue in Munich]

The worst thing we can do now is think that UEFA, FIFA, the FA, Sky, BT, Boris Johnson and West ham are our saviours. God forbid.

We need to use this possible once in a lifetime opportunity to get the (sensible) fans involved more at board and association level domestically and internationally, as well as putting in place a salary cap., amongst many, many other things.

Given the situation with the London Stadium, are West Ham in a position to lecture people on matters involving money?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45439883

Maybe there should only be 13 deciding...

 

[clubchamp98]

https://www.skysports.com/share/12284902

A measured, sensible starting point. And in addition to the 14 other clubs wanting this, the fans of the “Big Six” would be positively delighted if this was to happen.

It’s a starting point yes.
But even new execs are still employed by the owners.
They are the main problem imo.

 

[Fade and Die]

Given the situation with the London Stadium, are West Ham in a position to lecture people on matters involving money?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45439883

Maybe there should only be 13 deciding...

The article just proves what a great deal Brady got out of the government, it’s hardly West Ham’s fault if they were desperate. ?

But since you brought the subject up it’s a good example of owners greed. (And incompetence) They sold UP for just £8.4M (then suspiciously the stadium was sold again for a far higher price ?) and overall match day takings are down £4M, so as a club we are no better off and the owners have alienated everyone because no one likes the stadium!

 

[Sweep]

Yep agree - but right now sky are still intent on keep opening up the wound to make it worse.

It’s happened - the clubs pulled out , there will be something down with the clubs but the rules and regulations need to be changed. But I have no idea what they will try to bring in - certainly don’t trust the government or the Prem league or FA , so who sorts it out

Hopefully they will also react towards racism with the same gusto and verve but I doubt it

Sky are loving it for the obvious financial reasons but also because they came out so strongly against it right from the start. Now they are trying to set themselves up as the fans favourite. Neville is in overdrive.
One reporter claimed that the 6 owners were phoning all the other clubs to eat humble pie and apologise and it was falling on deaf ears (Arsenal say they have contacted the 14). And that the owners were attending training to apologise to the players and coaches and their pleas were met with anger and even laughter. Yeah right. The bloke who pays you 400k a week apologises to you and you laugh in his face.
Meanwhile, back in the real world...

 

[Sweep]

Salary cap has to be implemented at every single big league as well - also need agent fees looking at.

I agree. There is a problem though and it goes right to the heart of the entire matter.
Footballers have to be rich. It adds to the glamour and glamour sells. The owners know this and that’s why they would rather be playing Real Madrid than “Stoke on a wet Wednesday”. This isn’t just the case in football. Look at US sports in particular and that is the model they wanted. US Football, Baseball and Basketball stars earn massive, massive amounts. Fans want their shirts, Sony want them on their Play Station etc etc.
How many fans did George Best win for United? And many were not there for the football. Remember all the pictures of him and others like Rodney Marsh etc getting into E Types or Lotus Europa’s? Look at Pogba now with his online image that United themselves were selling until he fell out with Maureen. Let’s not even start on Beckham. If the ESL hierarchy are right and the young aren’t interested in football anymore, then it’s glamour, athleticism and skill that’s going to attract them. A bald bloke like Ralph Coates (Google him) committing to a studs up tackle in a mud bath at Burnley isn’t going to get them off their Play Stations. Simply put, if a player isn’t rich he isn’t good in their eyes.
Now I absolutely agree on a salary cap and they do have them in US sports, but the wages are still going to be eye watering and it’s the fans who pay for it all in the end.
John Barnes spoke a lot of sense. He said this wasn’t a victory for the fans at all. This was a battle for the money in the sport and the current system won this time. This was a battle for who had the right to fleece the fans. He said there was no chance wages would drop to reduce ticket prices and ultimately nothing would change.

 

[Liverbirdie]

The problem with this argument is that a club going into administration isn't the fault of the "players, managers or fans" but there is still a points deduction for it. "None of this is their doing". Almost every punishment that is dished out to clubs affects those groups, even if they weren't responsible for it. This to me smacks of hypocrisy from some fans of the big 6 clubs. All of a sudden you shouldn't punish the fans because of the actions of the clubs' owners. Where were those feelings when clubs such as Portsmouth were being deducted points because of what their owners' had done? It seems like double standards that all of a sudden the fans shouldn't be punished for the actions of the owners just because it's the big 6.

Hypocrisy is abundant everywhere and with everyone on many of these subjects, but also is a lack of knowledge and understanding.

Portsmouth and Leeds to name just two, at least had "benefits" to what they did and their fans enjoyed an FA cup final win, or a great European cup run to the semis, or watched some of the best players them teams had seen. Yes, the clubs had massive financial problems after that and were always running the risk of sanction, due to this.

The 6 havent even had any benefits out of it (thank god), so totally different scenarios.

 

[BiMGuy]

Hypocrisy is abundant everywhere and with everyone on many of these subjects, but also is a lack of knowledge and understanding.

Portsmouth and Leeds to name just two, at least had "benefits" to what they did and their fans enjoyed an FA cup final win, or a great European cup run to the semis, or watched some of the best players them teams had seen. Yes, the clubs had massive financial problems after that and were always running the risk of sanction, due to this.

The 6 havent even had any benefits out of it (thank god), so totally different scenarios.

Yeah, starting League 1 on - 15 points was a massive benefit.

You might have the benefit of getting rid of the owner many fans don't want.

I hope they throw the book at you.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1385879862095777793

Anazing hypocrisy from the same person who wanted the league last year null and void when her team was in a relegation battle

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yeah, starting League 1 on - 15 points was a massive benefit.

You might have the benefit of getting rid of the owner many fans don't want.

I hope they throw the book at you.

What were your thoughts when Risdale and Co were overspending as the team was battling in the Champions League semi final and buying the likes of Ferdinand few record fees

 

[Sweep]

What were your thoughts when Risdale and Co were overspending as the team was battling in the Champions League semi final and buying the likes of Ferdinand few record fees

And therin lies the problem and the Leeds scenario is the perfect example. Risdale gambled big time and it didn’t pay off. But if it had and they reached the CL final or even won it the financial benefits would have been huge and would have put Leeds on the map, including raising their awareness in other markets like the Far East. Sadly for them it went the other way but it could be argued they were a game or two from being one of the 6 today. However, it’s this kind of reward that encourages massive spending and it’s an upward (or downward) spiral. All clubs have to spend way over what they can afford just to stay still otherwise their rivals will outspend them. That’s why huge clubs like Madrid are so much in debt. The markets in football are way over inflated and it won’t stop until FFP becomes a lot stronger. Sadly it won’t and the powers that be won’t recognise the link between the ESL plans and FFP.