European Super League

[fundy]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....banned-from-champions-league-finals-danish-fa

maybe overthinking but it wouldn’t surprise me

PSG right now are not joining because of the World Cup imo - again they don’t care about the integrity etc and it wouldn’t take much for them to jump in with everyone

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/europa-league-expulsion-not-fair-20422269

UEFA chief Ceferin has said he will now consider throwing Arsenal, Chelsea and anyone else involved out of UEFA competitions 'as soon as possible'.

"We're still assessing with our legal team but we will take all the sanctions that we can and we will inform you as soon we can," Ceferin said after a UEFA conference on Monday morning

 

[sweaty sock]

Its just the american model, all the teams are ordained. They fight it out and theres a rotational system that keeps the top talent in the league but evenly spread. NFL, NHL, NBA not only do they print money, they only print the high denominations.

Wether you currently like it or not, this will be an outrageous success, and money will be king as always.

 

[road2ruin]

It looks like they invited Bayern and Dortmund from Germany. Both clubs are against it. I think they were given 4 weeks to decide.

The Gladbach manager called it the debt league.

I think we should be careful about holding up the German teams as this gold standard of how to act etc. The reason they can stand there and say that they're against it is that, from what I understand, they wouldn't have got it through anyway. In Germany the fans own 50% plus 1 share of the club (bar a couple of exceptions) so it basically any decision needs the consent of the fans for it to happen. If the same ownership was in other countries this would be a complete non-starter based on the outcry.

 

[larmen]

The US system is relying on salary cap and draft to keep it fair, and the league shares the merchandise profits as well.
Some teams still have a geo advantage because players gravitate to living in LA over Minnesota, ...
Players ‘get made’ in high school and college and not in club academy setups.
And sometimes teams just move to another town.

I love US sports but can’t see it happening here. I think it is too different.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I don't know who the clubs are, but this is the only reason I could see Spurs or Arsenal being involved really. If they were told it was happening, do they want in or not, they'd have most likely decided it's better to be inside the tent peeing outwards. Or make a stand against it and watch all the competitions you're in become worthless.

Three (maybe 4, don't know who owns Spurs) of the clubs involved have American owners. The announcement went out late evening in Europe, or prime time in the USA. It seems that the ones that weren't keen were the ones without American owners...

 

[fundy]

Three (maybe 4, don't know who owns Spurs) of the clubs involved have American owners. The announcement went out late evening in Europe, or prime time in the USA. It seems that the ones that weren't keen were the ones without American owners...

Joe Lewis the main owner of spurs, definitely not american

 

[Blue in Munich]

Joe Lewis the main owner of spurs, definitely not american

Couldn't remember, cheers. So my assumption would be that there are 3 teams driving this from here and they have approached the three main rivals/biggest draw cards to join up.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

The US system is relying on salary cap and draft to keep it fair, and the league shares the merchandise profits as well.
Some teams still have a geo advantage because players gravitate to living in LA over Minnesota, ...
Players ‘get made’ in high school and college and not in club academy setups.
And sometimes teams just move to another town.

I love US sports but can’t see it happening here. I think it is too different.

Baseball has no salary cap and the draft is less relevant because of the time it takes players to reach the major leagues.

 

[fundy]

Couldn't remember, cheers. So my assumption would be that there are 3 teams driving this from here and they have approached the three main rivals/biggest draw cards to join up.

3 americans, a russian, and an emirati went into a bar.......

theres a joke in there somewhere just cant see it at the moment lol

 

[Blue in Munich]

From another chat board; make of it what you will.

Some interesting detail in this translated article about the ESL - including the income
distribution going forward and the fact that Perez want's Madrid's CL tropies 'transferred over' to the new tournament. Also, some of the thinking of the ESL ringleaders.

Superliga, questions and answers

Written by: Paul Tenorio - April 19, 2021

1.- Why was the Super League born?

It has been in the making for several years and was born for economic reasons. The G12 considers that it is "paying for the party", in the words of one of its members, from the rest of football. The audiences of an Osasuna-Elche, a West Ham-Brighton or a Crotone-Genoa do not generate enough money to send a mobile television unit to the stadium to broadcast the game, but these clubs have received substantial emoluments since the television boom, which they cover more than 90% of their budgets, thanks to the economic value that their leagues have for having the G12 teams in them. The presidents of some of these powerful clubs have been for years, with Real Madrid president Florentino Pérezat the head - which has cost him a personal war with Javier Tebas, president of La Liga -, they meet regularly to outline a new competition with which they achieve a fairer distribution of TV revenues based on reported audiences of each team. And the global pandemic has exacerbated the need for these teams to stop getting the crumbs to take their rightful share of the cake. Without unnecessary intermediaries, in addition.

On the other hand, according to various studies and surveys, soccer audiences have been declining alarmingly for several years. Consumption habits have changed and young people are no longer eager to invest an hour and a half of their scattered attention in seeing encounters of little importance or quality. The football business, in that direction, was moving towards unsustainability. The step that has been taken was necessary for its survival, although the pedagogy of this decision will be very difficult to implant in public opinion, which I see as a selfish and greedy movement.

2.- What will the competition format be like?
They will dispute the Super League20 teams each season, the 15 founders and 5 teams that each year will earn their place due to their sporting merits. It has yet to be specified how.

Among those 20 teams, two groups of 10 will be raffled, which will play between them for a total of 18 days, all of them during the week. The first three of each group go to the quarterfinals, while the fourth of each group will play a play-off against the fifth of the other, for the other two places in the quarterfinals. From there, two-legged qualifying rounds until the final, which will be played as a single match on neutral ground. There will be no relegation and the next Super League will be played by the 15 founders and the 5 teams that have made merits for it.

It is false that surprises and giant killing teams that perform great feats are over. Each year there will be five teams that have that opportunity. Winning the competition will be almost impossible for them, but it is also impossible with the current Champions League format, which is distributed year after year by a very select handful of clubs.

Super League format

3.- Is it economically viable? How much money are we talking about?

It is not only feasible, but necessary. The current model was selling out. Behind it are some of the most lucid minds in football history: Florentino , Andrea Agnelli, Joel Glazer, John W. Henry, the JP Morgan bank everything has been studied in detail. Income for the first year is estimated at 7,000 million euros, three and a half times more than what the Champions League generates . To begin with, 3.525 million will be distributed among the founding teams, not equally: 350 for six of them, 225 for four, 112.5 for two and 100 for three clubs.

Regarding the payment system, 32.5% of the annual income will go to the coffers of the 15 founding clubs on a fixed basis and another 32.5% to the 20 participating teams. 20% will be allocated to prizes according to the classification and the other 15% based on marketing income.

4.- If there are 15 permanent places for the founding teams, but only twelve have signed the manifesto, who are the 3?

Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atlético de Madrid, Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, Manchester City, Inter Milan, Juventus and Milan are the G12 of founding clubs. The other three places are reserved for clubs that have doubts right now, either because they are the only representatives of their League (Bayern, which has already ruled against) or also because they do not want a conflict before the Qatar World Cup with this country , owner of the club (PSG). But the members of the G12 hope that both locals and Parisians will end up joining and that is why they have "saved" a place for them. The name of the mysterious 15th team remains to be known. It is said that Dortmund, it is said that Porto ...

5.- Why is it a semi-closed league?
Because the order of the 12 founding clubs towards the international leagues and organizations does not allow them to run the risk of relegation and stay out of the Super League, being at the expense of sanctions and punishments. It would be stupid to defy the established order to expose yourself to that. They will be inside permanently, as are the NBA or NFL teams. It is also very similar to the current Euroleague model.

However, and due to the particular idiosyncrasies of football, they have considered that they should leave the door open to the possibility that any European club that deserves to do so, can participate. Which would make him much stronger. In any case, this is a first format. Who knows how it might evolve over time. It is just the seed of the football of the future.

6.- Is it unsupportive?
No. In fact, it is going to allocate a generous solidarity fund (there is talk of about 1000 million euros, for the 600 that UEFA currently contributes) to the national Federations. In addition, the founding clubs will continue to participate in the national leagues, with which these will depreciate, because compared to the Super League their importance will decline, but much less than they would if they lost their most important clubs. The money from the football pyramid will continue to flow from top to bottom, but the most powerful will obtain figures more in line with what they generate.

It is hard to assimilate for the fans of teams that are left out, which are the majority. And it is very understandable. But that's how the globalized world evolves and that's how football does if it doesn't want to stop spinning. In a short time everyone will enjoy their team in their country, be it Cádiz or Nottingham Forest, and they will dream of seeing them one day in the Super League, where they will also have their favorite and who will eagerly consume as a spectacle without equal that is going to be . Top-level duels with millionaire audiences. Ten "Madrid-Bara" every week.

7.- Is it the end of modest football?

Not in any way. They will continue to play national competitions with the greats of each country, earning a good amount for television rights, and they will have their opportunity each year to enter the Super League, which would give them a formidable economic boost.

Until now, which covered their budget with TV revenues totally disproportionate to the fans / television audience behind them only thanks to the value that the greats bring to the league, the modest clubs were in some way subsidized by these big clubs. After the creation of the Super League they will continue to be. Little changes for them.

8.- Is the economic gap between the participating teams and the rest going to increase?

Yes, without a doubt. Every year more. Like in F1 or the NBA, we are going towards a select competition, in this case semi-closed. The economic gap is going to widen, but not unfairly or greedily. Due to television audiences and due to sporting and economic merits acquired over more than a century of football, the founding clubs are for the first time to receive the money that corresponds to them in relation to the volume of business they generate. They are simply going to take what has always been theirs.

9.- Will you get ahead?

Yes to 99.9%. It is an unstoppable reality. The G12 has the upper hand because without them right now no competition is economically viable except by reducing its income to figures of several decades ago. There is even case law in other sports (skating) that supports the legality of its split: the EU considered that athletes could not be prohibited from participating in competitions parallel to the official ones. All this, obviously, is being studied by the Super League's legal department, which has not taken a single false step.

Continued below...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Couldn't remember, cheers. So my assumption would be that there are 3 teams driving this from here and they have approached the three main rivals/biggest draw cards to join up.

Twitter also have three clubs as the driving force - Juve , Real Madrid and Man Utd

Looking at the statement been released and copied on each club - there are three statements from three owners - Juve , Madrid and Man Utd

 

[Blue in Munich]

Part 2;

10.- Can UEFA, FIFA or the national leagues retaliate against the G12?

No. Maybe during the first year, but never in the medium or long term. The founding clubs are aware that, without them, the national leagues could not survive. Those television products would have a residual value. For their part, UEFA and FIFA can do little other than leave the players of these teams out of national team tournaments, something that does not interest them because they would also be drastically devalued. In the case of UEFA, organizing a B tournament is their only way out. The Europa League, or Champions , whatever you want to call it, would become its star tournament, always in the shadow of the Super League in terms of impact, marketing, audience and repercussion. The logical thing is that both the national leagues such as UEFA and FIFA end up going through the hoop and somehow joining the project.
The other reprisals, as Ceferin has announced, can come in the form of a veto to the players of the clubs participating in the major national team tournaments. Although it seems difficult to imagine a European Championship without Sergio Ramos, Cristiano Ronaldo, Griezmann, De Bruyne, Lukaku, Rashford, Kane ...
In addition, the alleged punishment would benefit clubs that have long been clamoring for a reduction in the international calendar, which puts their assets and main assets, which are footballers, at risk.
Ceferin UEFA

11.- What will happen to the Champions League ?

It will be replaced by the Super League. UEFA will have to decide whether to hold a second continental tournament, of much lower appeal, and whether to call it the Champions League, Europa League , Conference League or what you want to call it. The most normal thing is that they do have one or two competitions for teams that fail to qualify for the Super League. One move they could make is to not allow the non-founding teams of the Super League to qualify and play in their tournaments. They would put them between a rock and a hard place and would force them to choose: "either you always play my competition or you play the Super League when you qualify every go who knows how many years." We will see.

12.- What will happen to the winners of the European Cup?

As Florentino Perez the main driver and first president of the Superliga, has ensured with other founding clubs, as it can not be otherwise, which palmares of Champions moves to the Superleague, to equal that in 1992 the European Cup moved to the Champions League . Madrid starts with 13 titles and continues to be the King of Europe. If UEFA decides to reset this record, it will be a symbolic act: the big clubs in Europe will continue to recognize the 13 winged Madrid, the 7 Milan, the 6 Liverpool, etc.

13.- Who will ensure the integrity of the competition?

As for the referees, the options are to hire retired referees while training young referees or to hire current referees with irrefutable offers to join the Super League. As in American sports, you want to put a microphone so that they explain their decisions to the public in a totally transparent way. And there would be an alternative VAR.
In addition, there will be financial control mechanisms (no more than 55% of annual income may be spent on salaries) and a Board composed of members of the 15 founders that will adopt decisions through a qualified majority (66%) and six Committees (financial, television, business, competition, solidarity and fans).

14.- How are the clubs going to face so many games?

This is yet to be defined, but in principle there are two ways. First, they could force national championships to reduce their number of participants. It must be remembered that the position of strength is held by the G12, whose threat to withdraw from the competition would shake the League, the Premier, Serie A, the Bundesliga or whatever lies ahead. Secondly, it is studying to expand the number of members of the squads, so that the teams have more effective and can make very alternative alignments when they are interested. The clubs rule. This is the fundamental premise.

15.- Is the Super League the reason why Real Madrid has remained impassive in recent years in the face of arbitration, calendar, schedule and personal attacks from the president of La Liga?

Yes, that is why. The club was working in parallel for the birth of this new competition. Knowing that in the Spanish League in the future he can continue to be mistreated, and his situation could even worsen. But the relevance both in sporting prestige and in the economic sphere of one competition with respect to the other is going to be ridiculous. Regarding the attacks by Javier Tebas, Florentino Pérez has always cared very little. He knows where they come from: from his demand first of a greater portion of the television cake and secondly of the creation of that Super League, of which the president of the League has always been perfectly aware.
In Madrid, beyond launching a protest through Emilio Butragueo or some sporadic statement by Florentino Pérez, public or private, no "corridor" work has been done to correct a treatment that was considered to be on the verge of prevarication. Efforts have been focused on this project that has just seen the light of day.

16.- Will soccer improve or empower?

It is very difficult to think that this is not going to get better, as after the creation of the European Cup 66 years ago (also promoted by the president of Real Madrid, then Santiago Bernabéu). Each week there will be ten matches of the best possible football level that will capture the attention of millions of fans and viewers around the world. The business model, studied by investors who have logically calculated and ensured the economic return, will certainly grow spectacularly. For now, Juventus or Manchester United have already skyrocketed this morning. It must also be remembered that the current model is unsustainable and has been losing viewers and impact year after year. In France, for example, Jaume Roures, owner of television rights, has already defaulted on Ligue-1.

17.- What are Tottenham, Arsenal, Atleti or City, who have not even won a European Cup?

This is controversial. The criteria for forming the G12 have been sporting merits and economic strength. That's why clubs like Tottenham, Arsenal or Manchester City are there despite not having the highest continental competition in their showcases. A separate case is Atlético de Madrid , which is neither among the richest clubs nor has a very successful track record. The presence of the rojiblanco club has been a personal endeavor of Florentino Pérez from the beginning, as he has always had the idea of going to the Super League with the two historical rivals of Real Madrid . Barcelona squareIt falls due to its own record, and also due to its traditional economic strength, although right now it is close to bankruptcy. This change has come as a great lifeline to him. But Atleti has directly been invited to the table of the greats without being so, which Miguel ngel Gil Marn has accepted without hesitation. This is a historic opportunity for Atlético to establish itself definitively among the highest nobility in European football. The outrage with this movement on the part of the rojiblanca fans is completely incomprehensible, that if there were no pandemic they should be in Neptune celebrating in style. And enormously grateful to Florentino Pérez forever.

18.- When does the Super League start?

The idea is to do it now, in August 2021, but nothing is guaranteed. It could be later. There are still many things in the air.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Wow - whoever is answering though questions is 1 - arrogant beyond belief, 2. On the Real Madrid payroll and 3 - has no clue about how the fans feel about it all and how it affects them

Reading that people couldn’t wait to watch it fail horribly

 

[Orikoru]

Wow - whoever is answering though questions is 1 - arrogant beyond belief, 2. On the Real Madrid payroll and 3 - has no clue about how the fans feel about it all and how it affects them

Reading that people couldn’t wait to watch it fail horribly

That wasn't really my take from reading it - more sad acceptance. It really looks like they are holding all of the aces and have football by the short and curlies - and they definitely know it. Until now I have been thinking this wouldn't happen - after reading all that I'm changing my mind.

Time to start thinking about which new team to start following.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...n-Super-League.html?__twitter_impression=true

it would be a good first step to see the players make their voice known as well as the fans.

 

[D-S]

Baseball has no salary cap and the draft is less relevant because of the time it takes players to reach the major leagues.

“ While MLB does not have a set salary cap, the luxury tax charges teams with high payrolls a considerable amount of money, giving teams ample reason to want to keep their payrolls below that level."

 

[GB72]

What is worrying at the moment is that the more i hear and read, the more that it feels that this was announced as a done deal and not a bargaining chip. Hope that I am very wrong on this point but it seems awfully advanced (and planning seems to have been going on for a long time) for something aimed to extract concessions from UEFA

 

[Pathetic Shark]

“ While MLB does not have a set salary cap, the luxury tax charges teams with high payrolls a considerable amount of money, giving teams ample reason to want to keep their payrolls below that level."

Yeah right - tell the Dodgers with a payroll the side of Liberia's national debt and my Tampa Bay Rays about that

 

[RichA]

Yeah right - tell the Dodgers with a payroll the side of Liberia's national debt and my Tampa Bay Rays about that

Would that be the LA Dodgers, formerly of Brooklyn? Mobile franchises.

I can see this ending up like a cross between Football Manager and those YouTube golf videos most of us watch...
Another 1,000,000 subscribers and we'll make a bid for Messi. 50,000 likes to bring Bale on for the last 12 minutes.
As I heard on the radio earlier, 20 million people around the planet paying a couple of quid to watch the game on their phone every week trumps 50,000 local fans paying £40.

It will certainly separate the players and managers who love the game from those who love the money.

The big games will end up being something on in the background when you go for a drink in a sports bar, rather than the main event.

 

[larmen]

Time to start thinking about which new team to start following.

Well, I couldn’t just pick a team, so I can’t really care about it. WERDER Bremen is never going to play it, and just picking Bayern or Dortmund would be wrong. I guess it is similar for Villa fans, or Ajax, or Roma, ... They wouldn’t suddenly walk into a sports direct and buy a Spurs shirt.

But those 30m new fans in Asia would.


Let’s take them out. Even without City someone will win the premiership this year. And next year. ... And a CL final will be played as well, Roma vs. Copenhagen or something like that will still be a final. Maybe have a champions league for champions? That would be controversial ;-)