EU Referendum

[Foxholer]

If we receive "far more" in that area than we contribute then in other areas we have to receive far less than we contribute otherwise we wouldn't have a nett contribution of 10, 12 or 14 billion per year - or whatever the actual figure is.

You can't offset the extra we get for science against our nett contribution and say it's a good thing without admitting also that the extra 2 billion we pay in compared to what we get back for the environment is a bad thing. (2 billion and environment were plucked from mid air as an example rather than being based on actual figures)

Happy to admit/agree with the above! However, Scientific Research is one of UK's particular talents, which would be greatly diminished by withdrawal from EU. The nett contribution merely reflects the better position the UK economy is in than SOME other EU members. The overall UK contribution, from (old) figures I'v seen is actually one of the lowest per capita contributions!

 

[Foxholer]

Can you prove that

I'm not sure why I need to provide you with evidence that you have no interest in the same as your links that have no real evidence within them don't interest me. I'm not trying to convince you one way or the other, you have already made up your mind as I have.

It would seem you don't believe in the need to do so!

Merely to sit in your own back surrounded by a huge brick wall and throw negativity over the wall! Insularity of the highest order!

 

[Old Skier]

It would seem you don't believe in the need to do so!

Merely to sit in your own back surrounded by a huge brick wall and throw negativity over the wall! Insularity of the highest order!

I think you'll find there was a smiley on hobbits post.

im not throwing negatives, I would love to see a truly independent artical from the powers to be with actual for and against arguments not just we're doomed if we leave and we're doomed if we stay, the don't knows don't have any real facts which help the everyday voter who want to know how it effects them, not Prof Hawkins.

It is obviouse that most on here have decided how to vote so really how negative I've been won't make a jot of difference. It's not for me to convince anyone how to vote, I just hope people vote.

 

[Ethan]

Currently have family at Cambridge doing major research for several companies that are not in the EU so I doubt if they are going to run away.

I'm not sure why I need to provide you with evidence that you have no interest in the same as your links that have no real evidence within them don't interest me. I'm not trying to convince you one way or the other, you have already made up your mind as I have.

Even Chucka Ummunna a big In campaigner admitted on the politics show that nobody really knows what the impact on leaving would be. Some truth from a politician, things are looking up.

And every Uni in the UK is just like Canbridge so that's all right.

Chukka Umunna said it is an unknown which is simply a statement of the bleeding obvious because there is no precedent. You should not interpret that as him thinking it is a neutral event. See if any of the Brexit similarly admitting the benefit side is also an unknown rather than relying on wishful thinking pseudo-patriotism.

 

[Old Skier]

And every Ui in the UK is just like Canbridge so that's all right.

Im glad your happy

 

[Foxholer]

I think you'll find there was a smiley on hobbits post.

im not throwing negatives, I would love to see a truly independent artical from the powers to be with actual for and against arguments not just we're doomed if we leave and we're doomed if we stay, the don't knows don't have any real facts which help the everyday voter who want to know how it effects them, not Prof Hawkins.

It is obviouse that most on here have decided how to vote so really how negative I've been won't make a jot of difference. It's not for me to convince anyone how to vote, I just hope people vote.

Do you have political aspirations? You certainly seem to corrupt any statement to make it seem to correspond with your point of view! Ethan beat me to refute your comment about Ummuna's statement!

Prof Hawkins wasn't talking about how it affects him - but how it affects science in general and research in particular!

 

[ColchesterFC]

And every Ui in the UK is just like Canbridge so that's all right.

Chicks Umunna said it is an unknown which is simply a statement of the bleeding obvious because there is no precedent. You should not interpret that as him thinking it is a neutral event. See if any of the Brexit similarly admitting the benefit side is also an unknown rather than relying on wishful thinking pseudo-patriotism.

For a man that likes correcting the spelling and grammar mistakes on other people's posts there sure are a lot in that post. ;-)

 

[Old Skier]

Do you have political aspirations? You certainly seem to corrupt any statement to make it seem to correspond with your point of view!

None as I'm not to keen on the political class however I'm not sure where I corrupted any statements. Perhaps I just don't agree with you and your mate that's all.

 

[Old Skier]

And every Ui in the UK is just like Canbridge so that's all right.

Chicks Umunna said it is an unknown which is simply a statement of the bleeding obvious because there is no precedent. You should not interpret that as him thinking it is a neutral event. See if any of the Brexit similarly admitting the benefit side is also an unknown rather than relying on wishful thinking pseudo-patriotism.

Unknown - without knowledge of - so nobody really knows is hardly a corruption.

Where did I say it's a neutral event.

 

[Ethan]

For a man that likes correcting the spelling and grammar mistakes on other people's posts there sure are a lot in that post. ;-)

There is a difference between iPhone autocorrect and illiteracy.

 

[SocketRocket]

There is a difference between iPhone autocorrect and illiteracy.

There is also a difference between debating different opinions and crass rudeness.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Ah the old "autocorrect" excuse. I could have predicted that one. Not sure you'd be so keen to accept that from anyone else. There's also a big difference between posting any old crap and checking what you've typed before posting. It's a long way to fall from your high horse especially when it's as high as the one you constantly put yourself on.

 

[SocketRocket]

A great deal of scientific research is carried out in research institutions (not always universities) and funded by private business. There is a lot of collaboration between different research agencies as it speeds up the process and brings in a variety of expertise to projects. Some funding is through the EU and UK Government but some is through cooperation with countries such as Switzerland, The USA, India and many more. There could well be a some funding cut off from the EU if the UK leave but overall my opinion is that there would not be a sudden and fundamental cut off in research through Brexit. Other countries would want the input from our brightest minds just like we would like input from theirs.

This subject has unknowns but I think to suggest that there would be harm to future research if we leave is painting an unnecessarily grim picture.

 

[Foxholer]

A great deal of scientific research is carried out in research institutions (not always universities) and funded by private business. There is a lot of collaboration between different research agencies as it speeds up the process and brings in a variety of expertise to projects. Some funding is through the EU and UK Government but some is through cooperation with countries such as Switzerland, The USA, India and many more. There could well be a some funding cut off from the EU if the UK leave but overall my opinion is that there would not be a sudden and fundamental cut off in research through Brexit. Other countries would want the input from our brightest minds just like we would like input from theirs.

This subject has unknowns but I think to suggest that there would be harm to future research if we leave is painting an unnecessarily grim picture.

That research will very likely continue - dependent upon whether those multi-nationals stay in UK if there's a Brexit. The numbers (£s/Euros) involved in the in/out discussion are quite separate to those 'commercial' ones!

And is that the known unknowns, or the (most feared) unknown unknowns (thanks Donald (R)!)!

As for the funding...When that disappears, then the research does too! Though it - and the scientists involved - would probably go to where the funding was transferred to!

 

[SocketRocket]

That research will very likely continue - dependent upon whether those multi-nationals stay in UK if there's a Brexit. The numbers (£s/Euros) involved in the in/out discussion are quite separate to those 'commercial' ones!

And is that the known unknowns, or the (most feared) unknown unknowns (thanks Donald (R)!)!


As for the funding...When that disappears, then the research does too! Though it - and the scientists involved - would probably go to where the funding was transferred to!

We would still be able to fund research. Why would we not do that?

 

[Foxholer]

We would still be able to fund research. Why would we not do that?

Classic cop-out and political clap-trap!

Of course we would! But are you prepared, personally, to top up the difference between what UK government pays for research and the total amount received?

 

[SocketRocket]

Classic cop-out and political clap-trap!

Of course we would! But are you prepared, personally, to top up the difference between what UK government pays for research and the total amount received?

Classic rude reply that is nothing but juvenile name calling, grow up! I asked you a civil question and would prefer a civil answer please!

Of course I am prepared to meet the difference. Where do you think the money the EU uses comes from?

 

[Ethan]

Ah the old "autocorrect" excuse. I could have predicted that one. Not sure you'd be so keen to accept that from anyone else. There's also a big difference between posting any old crap and checking what you've typed before posting. It's a long way to fall from your high horse especially when it's as high as the one you constantly put yourself on.

Well, it happens on the iPhone like I am using now and I couldn't give a shirt whether you believe it or not. You can be a bit of a brick, old chap.

 

[jdpjamesp]

Does anyone think that being in the EU helps us in terms of reducing our visibility as a target for terrorist attacks? If we're in the EU then there are some nice meaty targets in places like Belgium and France that they can target and be seen to be hitting the EU who are causing trouble for them. If we're not in the EU then suddenly our actions in places like Syria become the actions of Britain, not the EU, and therefore London gets a big red X painted on it.
Or am I just being naive?

 

[SocketRocket]

Does anyone think that being in the EU helps us in terms of reducing our visibility as a target for terrorist attacks? If we're in the EU then there are some nice meaty targets in places like Belgium and France that they can target and be seen to be hitting the EU who are causing trouble for them. If we're not in the EU then suddenly our actions in places like Syria become the actions of Britain, not the EU, and therefore London gets a big red X painted on it.
Or am I just being naive?

I don't believe we have carried out any military intervention on behalf of the EU so I would think it would make no difference.