EU Referendum

[SocketRocket]

UK.And thinking on security mattes and whether leaving the EU would reduce the risk of terrorist atrocity in the EU. Not sure how greater control of our borders will help. Many terrorists are unknown to security agencies - and so could just be visiting the UK for a holiday. That they are telling a fib and might get found out and thrown out of UK is hardly going to worry a suicide bomber coming to UK to do his worst using a device made in the UK by sympathisers. So what real security benefit even greater control - if that can ever come about if we wish access to the single market - which is very debatable.

Did anyone actually say that Brexit would reduce the risk of a terrorist atrocity in the EU

Please explain how open borders can reduce the chance of a terrorist atrocity?

 

[MarkE]

BTW my Scottish fitba blog vote is standing at 81% stay 19% leave. Feels about right

Maybe in Scotland. http://whatukthinks.org/eu/?gclid=CLbRmaCA38sCFYIW0wodTSgKdQ

 

[Deleted member 15344]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35901811

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Did anyone actually say that Brexit would reduce the risk of a terrorist atrocity in the EU

Please explain how open borders can reduce the chance of a terrorist atrocity?

I'm suggesting that closed borders won't reduce probability of a terrorist attack much if at all.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35901811

Fair enough - and not at all surprising - though I quote from the article

The pro-Brexit camp has striven to counter the impression that most big companies prefer to remain in the EU. A third of FTSE 100 bosses publicly supported staying in last month.

But there are no current FTSE 100 chief executives or chairmen and only 13 out of the 250 signatories are women - including Sir Rocco Forte's sister Olga and his niece Alex Polizzi.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Interesting comment piece by Matthew Parris in the Times today -total hatchet job on BoJo - demolishing him as a serious politician who should be exposed asap by the Tories as the unprincipled, dishonest and bluffing dissembler that he is - and one with not a serious political achievement to his name - either as London mayor or an MP. #NoGoBoJo

 

[Foxholer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35901811

While it's possible to create whatever one might wish from virtually any group of 100 or 250 folk, I'd not put my faith in anyone who had anything to do with running Equitable Life, and I wonder how much I should really consider the view of 'Pasha Khandaker, president of the Bangladesh Caterers Association' as particularly relevant!

I think the 36 of the FTSE 100 heads who signed the letter saying staying was better for their businesses - compared with zero who have come out as saying leaving will be better for theirs - carry a little more weight than the those that have been listed. And remember, this list has been created by the 'Leave' campaign, so may contain some who would prefer not to have been so identified!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

While it's possible to create whatever one might wish from virtually any group of 100 or 250 folk, I'd not put my faith in anyone who had anything to do with running Equitable Life, and I wonder how much I should really consider the view of 'Pasha Khandaker, president of the Bangladesh Caterers Association' as particularly relevant!

I think the 36 of the FTSE 100 heads who signed the letter saying staying was better for their businesses - compared with zero who have come out as saying leaving will be better for theirs - carry a little more weight than the those that have been listed. And remember, this list has been created by the 'Leave' campaign, so may contain some who would prefer not to have been so identified!

As you say the article observes

But Britain Stronger in Europe said Vote Leave could not find a business to officially back it, as those listed supported it in a "personal capacity".

 

[SocketRocket]

As you say the article observes

Ever heard of JCB?

 

[JohnnyDee]

It's interesting watching Sky News presenters (don't blame me HiD likes it) every time the referendum is mentioned in general discussion or in a newspaper review.

Nearly all to a (wo)man seem to be finding it almost impossible not to hint that the Brexit position is the one to take.

If you didn't know better you'd almost think that some Svengali-like media mogul was behind the scenes manipulating the agenda.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

 

[Foxholer]

Ever heard of JCB?

Family owned company, so doesn't fall into the same category as those who signed up to the 'Stay' letter.

Not surprised at all that Lord Bamford's prefererence is for Brexit. Probably the epitome of single-mindedness and the idea of creating success through individual effort - values that would be core for a successful Brexit, but can also result in selfish isolation!

 

[Foxholer]

...And remember, this list has been created by the 'Leave' campaign, so may contain some who would prefer not to have been so identified!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35906110

Yep! There it goes!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Best not to guess then as that's not what I said.

No indeed - what you said was

If your the kind of guy that needs notices because you don't have the sence to spot it yourself you obviously need all the help available . Please take care while crossing the road, it's mayhem out there.

So I am guessing you might think that have health and safety notices around a golf course imply that players don't have the sense to spot the risks themselves.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Ever heard of JCB?

Yes - I used to work for him

So that'll be one - unless of course it was the boss of JCB giving his personal opinion rather than that of the company board. Mind you as it's family owned the boards view will be the owners view.

So looking beyond family or other privately owned businesses. Who do Brexit have on their side? I am sure they must have some listed companies of the Brexit view

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes - I used to work for him

So that'll be one - unless of course it was the boss of JCB giving his personal opinion rather than that of the company board. Mind you as it's family owned the boards view will be the owners view.

So looking beyond family or other privately owned businesses. Who do Brexit have on their side? I am sure they must have some listed companies of the Brexit view

To be honest I am not that interested in what businesses are in favor or not, they all have their own agendas and that will not always be what is best for many of us. Some like the way the EU gives them an unlimited supply of cheap labour, their will be all manner of reasons why some will want to stay and others not. Its possible for any of us to dig around for bits to support our personal preferences but ultimately for most people it's about a gut instinct on whats important to you. For me it's National self determination above anything else. If we are better off or not I want it to be ourselves that make the decisions that bring that about.

 

[Foxholer]

..For me it's National self determination above anything else. If we are better off or not I want it to be ourselves that make the decisions that bring that about.

This 'self determination' really seems something of an aspirational myth!

Because UK is now no longer the 'power' it used to be, it is very much 'at the mercy' of decisions made by both other countries and individual companies!

And those that make the decisions are rarely, if ever, making them on behalf of anywhere near 50% of the voting population - and that only covers their manifestos, let alone issues that arise later or are were excluded from specific manifesto declarations!

 

[SocketRocket]

This 'self determination' really seems something of an aspirational myth!

Because UK is now no longer the 'power' it used to be, it is very much 'at the mercy' of decisions made by both other countries and individual companies!

And those that make the decisions are rarely, if ever, making them on behalf of anywhere near 50% of the voting population - and that only covers their manifestos, let alone issues that arise later or are were excluded from specific manifesto declarations!

Not 'The Power' it used to be' when are you talking about, 10. 20. 50, 100 years ago. Maybe you mean before we were in the EU in which case it's not doing us much good. Why do you go on about 'Power' what kind of power do you think we should have (I take it you are one of us when asking that?) The UK is IMO still a very influential country in the World

 

[Foxholer]

Not 'The Power' it used to be' when are you talking about, 10. 20. 50, 100 years ago. Maybe you mean before we were in the EU in which case it's not doing us much good. Why do you go on about 'Power' what kind of power do you think we should have (I take it you are one of us when asking that?) The UK is IMO still a very influential country in the World

I don't believe that membership of the EU (or EEC before it) is related to the decline of the 'power' (aka 'influence') of UK, merely coincident recent events. And yes, all those periods. I'm not overly concerned as to whether a country has particular power/influence, simply noting the changes and reflecting on whether particular decisions would alter that power/influence, so it matters little as to whether I am 'one of us' or not - except perhaps my 'independence' may (or may not) have give me a less narrow-minded view!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

If I was those on the leave note that was published http://news.sky.com/story/1667598/vote-leave-apologises-over-wrong-names-on-list and I wasn't supporting it I'd me wanting to know how my name got there and want more than apology. In theory it could have a knock on affect to the business