SwingsitlikeHogan
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Which is fine - but just completing the picture showing numbers granted asylum
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Which is fine - but just completing the picture showing numbers granted asylum
Old Skier
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Germany and France seem more concerned about us leaving than many around here it seems. You would think they would jump at the chance, especially France who stopped us joining the old Common Market.
Or is it they are just after our money.
Or is it they are just after our money.
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I certainly have not suggested that they are.
My point all along has been that this is a global problem requiring global solutions rather than petty squabbles over levels of UK/French involvement.
ColchesterFC
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I see that the director General of the British Chamber of Commerce has been suspended for suggesting that the UK might be better off leaving the EU. The reason given is that he "breached the group's official position of neutrality" despite making it clear the views were his only personal opinions. I wonder if he would've been suspended if his personal opinion had been to remain in the EU? There are suggestions that "pressure from Downing Street" is behind the decision to suspend him. Will be interesting to see if there is any evidence that shows No. 10 did get involved as that might push some of the undecided voters towards a leave vote.
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Q. How do you prove a negative?
A. You can't. That is why we end up with conspiracy theories.
BCC had already decided its policy was to remain neutral as its membership appears to be split 60/40 in favour of staying in.
If the DG decides to unilaterally ignore that decision it is hardly surprising if he is then disciplined by his employers.
And to think; the Out campaign is the one accusing the In supporters of running "scare stories".
I love Boris, he constantly attempted to get over his point with Andrew Marr so people not fully understanding of the single currency and other issues, hopefully understood it a bit better, there's no doubt in my mind that he cares and is passionate about the UK. I want to hear more about the things that get wrapped up and delayed by Europe that won't ever, or hardly at all, affect Europe, like our tunnels or tipper trucks, yet they can have a say which then affects us and not them.
Cameron came back with nothing of any significance as we can't do anything or change anything or challenge anything once the dog wags our tail, it's a resounding out for me, lets get the gagging orders lifted and hear what's really happening out there and stop the scaremongering.
I want my FREEEEEDOM..:thup:
Cameron came back with nothing of any significance as we can't do anything or change anything or challenge anything once the dog wags our tail, it's a resounding out for me, lets get the gagging orders lifted and hear what's really happening out there and stop the scaremongering.
I want my FREEEEEDOM..:thup:
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One of the complaints of the Out campaign is the amount of "red tape" and regulation that comes out of Brussels and I agree that, at times, it can seem overpowering.
However, much of those rules that folks moan about actually emanate from Westminster and will continue to do so even if we leave the EU.
Those rules are often determined by Whitehall Civil Servants, what are referred to as faceless, unelected bureaucrats when talking about Europe, and really I cannot see any difference between a Civil Servant from London and one from Brussels.
Each will present the legislation to the politicians for them to sign off and endorse. Minor legislation, which is how the politicos see most of this, is thus likely to be no different if we are In or Out.
However, much of those rules that folks moan about actually emanate from Westminster and will continue to do so even if we leave the EU.
Those rules are often determined by Whitehall Civil Servants, what are referred to as faceless, unelected bureaucrats when talking about Europe, and really I cannot see any difference between a Civil Servant from London and one from Brussels.
Each will present the legislation to the politicians for them to sign off and endorse. Minor legislation, which is how the politicos see most of this, is thus likely to be no different if we are In or Out.
WRONG! The government of the day decides what they want to implement, and then asks the Civil Service to write it up in legalese.
The laws from the EU are decided by all 28 states, or is it 26? We might propose what we feel is a decent idea only for the others to water it down. And we do the same to someone else's proposal. The end result is no one gets what they want, only a watered down version.
MegaSteve
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Well, hopefully, the faceless ones in Whitehall will have the 'needs' of the UK in the forefront of the decision making rather than how to appease 27 others at the same time...
It was a typical Boris performance.... No real substance... Totally contradictory...
Mervyn King was a more interesting interview...
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On policy type legislation I agree but issues such as Health & Safety etc; do not receive the same (if any) Ministerial input. Ministers are transient and do not have the knowledge or time to get that involved.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Loving Boris making out that the suspension of the chairman of the BCC is more Project Fear. Actually not loving it at all - it's tedious this Project Leave thing choosing to make 'whatever' part of Project Fear. The chairman stepped over the line of complete neutrality regardless of whether he said it is his personal view or not - sometimes in certain positions there are some things you just can't say.
Anyway - don't know what Boris is worried about - Project Leave should be delighted as this will surely free the ex-chairman up to expound and elaborate upon his 'personal views'
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Im confused - I have heard fear and and scaremongering from both the "outs" and "ins" so which side have you given the pet name "Project Fear" ?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Sorry??
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Just asking which side have you given Project Fear too ? As both sides seem to be playing the fear and scaremongering game
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Only one side - Leave - talks about Project Fear
Maybe Remain should start taking about Project Deluded
Totally agree with your first paragraph, and earlier posts about we need to know the benefits of both options.
maybe the leave campaigners have nicknamed it project fear, but I feel that David Cameron's projection of 'fear' is unworthy of a PM.
MegaSteve
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Harold Wilson showed a bit of class, in '75, by more less staying out of the debate...
Feel DaveCam should've followed his lead...
MarkE
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Really? You can't see the difference with us setting our own rules and laws, or the same being set by foreigners who may not have the UK's best interest at heart.:mmm:
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As I said, but obviously not clearly enough for you, I find it amusing that the Out campaigners are complaining about the amount of regulations and red tape and suggest that there will be any less if we leave.
I don't really care who sets the rules my point is that there will be just as much intervention by the State whether we are In or Out.
SocketRocket
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David cameron has said that to leave the EU is a step into the dark and the campaign have no sound policy on how we would trade with the EU or manage our borders.
I would put it that this is his fault. His negotiations with the EU should have taken much longer and he should have discussed things like trade arrangements and border checks if we were to exit. He is the Prime Minister and as such should be looking to support his country in what ever direction the electorate deems to take us. He has come down a great deal in my estimations on his handling of this matter and I think he has damaged his reputation such that whatever the outcome of the referendum he should stand down.
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