EU Referendum

[Khamelion]

Ok when I try it . Are you using a works computer?

Nope my own home PC

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm sure you don't really!

If you do, then that just demonstrates the eager way in which some of those (dare I mention the particular elements of the Press?) that wish to leave will invent propaganda and the gullibility of their followers!

Wooooooooooosh!!!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Not very well but I try sometimes.

As was said many times during my schooldays: "Must try harder!"

 

[Foxholer]

Wooooooooooosh!!!

Nice try! :rofl:

Check the first sentence of my post! But propaganda is propaganda! And if exaggerated satire contributes, then that's often seized upon by eager folk looking to find something to criticize! Unfortunately, that's one of the privileges that the press (both left and right) has that I find a touch obscene!

 

[MarkE]

They are not legally obliged to deal with this. In law it is the responsibility of the first member state in which the asylum seeker first arrives.

However, it is surely unreasonable to expect Greece to deal with all of them in view of the numbers involved.

It is not a question of palming off a problem.

It is where France is concerned. A rich country over twice the size of the UK, with similar populations. They are certainly trying to palm the problem off onto the UK.
I'm not doubting your assertions regarding the state they arrive at first, but we were talking about France and the specific 'jungle' issue.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It is where France is concerned. A rich country over twice the size of the UK, with similar populations. They are certainly trying to palm the problem off onto the UK.
I'm not doubting your assertions regarding the state they arrive at first, but we were talking about France and the specific 'jungle' issue.

So it is an anti-France thing after all.

 

[SocketRocket]

Nice try! :rofl:

Check the first sentence of my post! But propaganda is propaganda! And if exaggerated satire contributes, then that's often seized upon by eager folk looking to find something to criticize! Unfortunately, that's one of the privileges that the press (both left and right) has that I find a touch obscene!

Keep digging :rofl:

 

[SocketRocket]

So it is an anti-France thing after all.

Not anti-France but more anti-French. They have quite a nice country.

How many Frenchmen does it take to change a light bulb?
One. He holds the bulb and all of Europe revolves around him.

 

[MarkE]

So it is an anti-France thing after all.

What's anti-France about it? The issue is centered in France, could be any country but it's not. I'm not particularly anti anybody, just pro UK.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

What's anti-France about it? The issue is centered in France, could be any country but it's not. I'm not particularly anti anybody, just pro UK.

But what is it that France are doing wrong.

These people are in a "camp" in France but wish to seek asylum in the UK. The French authorities are allowing UK Border Authority officials to operate on French soil.

Just what do you think is wrong or against our interests in the actions of the French. They (like us) have had this problem for many years now.

 

[ColchesterFC]

The French authorities should be processing these people to find out if they are genuine asylum seekers, should be returned to their home country or should be returned to the country that they entered France from. What they shouldn't be doing is allowing a camp to be established in Calais and basically hoping that the majority will make an illegal crossing to southern England so that the French can wash their hands of the problem.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The French authorities should be processing these people to find out if they are genuine asylum seekers, should be returned to their home country or should be returned to the country that they entered France from. What they shouldn't be doing is allowing a camp to be established in Calais and basically hoping that the majority will make an illegal crossing to southern England so that the French can wash their hands of the problem.

If that were true the French authorities would not be spending millions and committing extensive resources trying to secure the Tunnel and other crossings.

 

[SocketRocket]

But what is it that France are doing wrong.

These people are in a "camp" in France but wish to seek asylum in the UK. The French authorities are allowing UK Border Authority officials to operate on French soil.

Just what do you think is wrong or against our interests in the actions of the French. They (like us) have had this problem for many years now.

I think that was explained. France are sitting back and allowing illegal immigrants to exist in their country rather than taking a proactive approach. If these people were in the UK trying to get into France we would insist they either claimed asylum or we would asses them as illegal immigrants. We would then either give them refuge or take them into custody and look into sending them home. We would not leave them hanging around in camps trying to jump into the back of trucks going to France. The French are coping out IMO.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I think that was explained. France are sitting back and allowing illegal immigrants to exist in their country rather than taking a proactive approach. If these people were in the UK trying to get into France we would insist they either claimed asylum or we would asses them as illegal immigrants. We would then either give them refuge or take them into custody and look into sending them home. We would not leave them hanging around in camps trying to jump into the back of trucks going to France. The French are coping out IMO.

But that is purely a hypothesis.

Neither you nor I have any idea how we would deal with such numbers if the roles were reversed.

Indeed with the cuts that the Government has made to the Border Authority's budget it might be reasonable to assume that we would not be able to cope any better than any other country.

 

[ColchesterFC]

If that were true the French authorities would not be spending millions and committing extensive resources trying to secure the Tunnel and other crossings.

Did you miss the news today that we have given the French an extra £17 million to deal with the problems in Calais? No idea how much the French are spending but we seem to be regularly sending more money their way to deal with the issue.

 

[SocketRocket]

But that is purely a hypothesis.

Neither you nor I have any idea how we would deal with such numbers if the roles were reversed.

Indeed with the cuts that the Government has made to the Border Authority's budget it might be reasonable to assume that we would not be able to cope any better than any other country.

The UK processed 25,771 Asylum applications in 2015.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Just from a quick google search the UK signed an agreement in July 2015 to pay £7 million over two years on top of £2 million for a secure area for UK lorries and £7 million for other security measures. This seems to be on top of £12 million over 3 years pledged last autumn. So there's £28 million that the UK have paid and that is without the extra £17 million pledged today. £45 million given or pledged since the middle of last year. It's not like the French are having to deal with it all on their own is it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33992952

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The UK processed 25,771 Asylum applications in 2015.

11,600 (41%) granted (to complete the picture on asylum seekers for year ending June 2015)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-april-to-june-2015/asylum

 

[MarkE]

But what is it that France are doing wrong.

These people are in a "camp" in France but wish to seek asylum in the UK. The French authorities are allowing UK Border Authority officials to operate on French soil.

Just what do you think is wrong or against our interests in the actions of the French. They (like us) have had this problem for many years now.

As I have already mentioned, France are neglecting to carry out their responsibilities to the migrants, preferring to let them gather in Calais and take their chances getting to the UK.
We could argue the toss forever, but the initial point was French ministers issuing veiled threats to the UK public to encourage a 'Stay' vote.

 

[SocketRocket]

11,600 (41%) granted (to complete the picture on asylum seekers for year ending June 2015)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-april-to-june-2015/asylum

The point was in reply to a suggestion that we would not be able to cope with such numbers.